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VRT relief for EV's imported from Northern Ireland

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    #92
    daarmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭daarmcd


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121788897#Comment_121788897

    You state

    The resulting OMSP is €46,225.81. 7% of the €46,225.81 is €3,235.81. So, the resulting price of the car is €42,990 plus €3235.81 VRT, which equals €46,225.81.

    So the OMSP has vat of €8,224 on it and then has VRT of €3,235.81 on the VAT inclusive amount.

    Then if it was an import we would pay VRT on the OMSP which already has the net price x VAT x VRT. Tax on a tax on another tax.



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    #93
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,921 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121788999#Comment_121788999

    It's a common complaint about VRT, you are indeed paying a tax that includes its own value in the calculation. It would be much simpler if it was a simple percentage of the purchase price, but I suspect that structure would have looked too much like an import duty.

    The history of VRT is that it was introduced to replace import duties on cars that were imported from other EU countries (banned under single market rules). I'm not trying to justify the tax, I only want to help you understand how it's applied.



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    #94
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,921 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121788956#Comment_121788956

    Tesla would need to advertise the Model 3 with a purchase price of €40,789.46 for it to have an OMSP of €43,859.64.



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    #95
    Bannerman1969
    Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭Bannerman1969


    Just looking to confirm.


    Looking to buy an EV up North from Main dealer. Car was first registered in N.I and has always been in N.I and has N.I plates.

    I know there is no VRT but will there be VAT applicable. Car is a 2021 Leaf.


    Is all I pay - the car price converted to Euro ?

    Thanks



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    #96
    daarmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭daarmcd


    There should be no VAT or customs



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    #97
    MojoMaker
    Registered Users Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    If the car has more than 6000kms on its odometer, which presumably a 2021 vehicle has.



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    #98
    robertc4022
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭robertc4022


    hi just after buying ev from nothern ireland .could please help with what documents i need,have revenue letters i printed from revenue site .but nct site said need original will what i have be ok

    thanks



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    #99
    witnessmenow
    Registered Users Posts: 7,093 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    If I remember I had/needed the following:

    • filled in VRTVPD2 (link in the email)
    • PPS number, I printed something from the revenue website and it was fine
    • Proof of address (was an original something)
    • Invoice of the car
    • Able to find the vin number on the car

    Think that was all I needed



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    #100
    User1998
    Registered Users Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭User1998


    You are sent a checklist via email when you book the appointment.



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    #101
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,039 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121934338#Comment_121934338

    Original V5 document from the UK/NI.



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    #102
    marwo
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭marwo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121934338#Comment_121934338

    Hi there, i am through same process and preparing. Did your V5c had full 2 pages? On mine 1st page is untouched but 2nd page missing upper part- sections 3-5. Thought its standard as dealer in NI had to send it somewhere but now wonder. Finding different contradicting opinions some saying need full 2 pages other that sections 3-5 related to export to other country are not needed.

    Its EV first and only time registered in NI.



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    #103
    witnessmenow
    Registered Users Posts: 7,093 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148324#Comment_122148324

    I am not sure what you need from it exactly, but I was given the entire second page back from the VRT place so I'm guessing it wasn't needed?



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    #104
    User1998
    Registered Users Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭User1998


    You only need the first page and you don’t need to do anything with the second page



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    #105
    marwo
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭marwo


    Thanks for confirmation. Went to NCT center also and sounds like page nr 1 is all you need.



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    #106
    Gulliver
    Registered Users Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Gulliver


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121934338#Comment_121934338

    Everyone probably already knows this, but the VIN has to be the one stamped in the bodywork. I got caught out thinking I could just point to the one visible in the windscreen!



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    #107
    TheSunIsShining
    Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭TheSunIsShining


    Do you need to submit the section about Permanent Export back to the DVLA?



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    #108
    User1998
    Registered Users Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭User1998


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122156260#Comment_122156260

    No



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    #109
    TheSunIsShining
    Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭TheSunIsShining


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122156270#Comment_122156270

    Really? How do the UK know it's been exported? Will the old owner still get a motor tax bill?



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    #110
    User1998
    Registered Users Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭User1998


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122156289#Comment_122156289

    It gets marked as exported a few weeks after you pay VRT



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    #111
    TheSunIsShining
    Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭TheSunIsShining


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122156370#Comment_122156370

    Tks!



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    #112
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,039 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122156252#Comment_122156252

    yes standard enough. Same requirement for NCT too.



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    #113
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,039 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    The seller can tear that piece off and post it directly to the DVLA before you leave with the car should they wish. This is what I’ve done on my imports and no issues.

    I was also able to apply for the car tax refund to the DVLA afterwards, this was 2019 for the tax though so not sure if you can still do that with the uk new online system and no discs anymore.



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    #114
    User1998
    Registered Users Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭User1998


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122156497#Comment_122156497

    I think you still can, but EV’s/hybrids are free to tax anyway.



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    #115
    lotsobear
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭lotsobear


    The whole import taxation system seems to be designed to be complicated...I was looking at IS300h prices in the UK and they appear to be good value compared to here, however when you add all the taxes etc its dead in the water unfortunately



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    #116
    User1998
    Registered Users Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭User1998


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122266007#Comment_122266007

    Its easy enough to understand if you go through it on Revenues website.

    Importing goods into the EU attracts customs duty and VAT. There are exemptions for NI cars which are outlined on Revenue’s website

    Importing a car into Ireland requires VRT. Which is a varying percentage of the OMSP, depending on Co2 emissions. Then you have the Nox element which is essentially a flat rate of €5 per mg of Nox



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    #117
    PaddyCar
    Registered Users Posts: 693 ✭✭✭PaddyCar


    This thread has been very useful so thought I post about my experience of bringing in an EV from NI. So purchased a 191 Hyundai Ioniq from dealer in Newry and very happy with the car. NI registered since day 1. Brought it for VRT check yesterday and initially was told i would need to pay 35% for VAT and Customs as the vehicle was registered to a company in NI and not a private individual. Obviously got a bit of a shock from this and queried it. The lady dealing with it was dead on and rang revenue to further query this. Apparently revenue said that once it had an MOT from NI then it was deemed ok and no customs/VAT charged. I didn't ask for for much more info as was delighted to just pay the €11.20 for the tyres and get out of there. Anyone know what the rules are regarding vehicles registered to a company and not a private individual?



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    #118
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,922 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122277466#Comment_122277466

    I suspect it's a grey area, as if the car was vat registered in NI you could have bought without paying NI VAT and then not have to pay VAT on import either. However, as the current rules stand, the non/payment of vat outside the EU is not our concern and should not impact the import process. Before brexit you would have had to pay vat on import here.

    Same as buying from the US. We don't care about the sales tax in the US if you're importing



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    #119
    User1998
    Registered Users Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭User1998


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122277489#Comment_122277489

    I think the reason its a grey area is because the recent exemption only covers vehicles that are in ‘private use’. If a car is registered to a company its technically not in private use its in business use.

    I was told by the lady in the VRT office a few days ago that it has to be registered to a private name & address for 3 months, not a company name. And she said having recent NI MOT or tax also helps



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    #120
    witnessmenow
    Registered Users Posts: 7,093 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122277466#Comment_122277466

    Do you remember what was written on the V5? Mine was a individuals name, but I got invoices for the services from the dealer and they were invoiced to a company so I assume there was some form of company ownership involved or something.

    Mine predated the change in rules too, but I assume once the V5 name is an individual then the VRT person is happy, but would be curious if that was all that was needed



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    #121
    PaddyCar
    Registered Users Posts: 693 ✭✭✭PaddyCar


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122278605#Comment_122278605

    It was ALD automotive Ltd which i believe is a leasing company based in NI. Yes, i think once its a private individual all should be ok. I got a bit of a scare when it was mentioned €9,000 of VAT/customs due but luckily all worked out in the end.



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