Iran's President and Foreign Minister die in helicopter crash

If they have a 40 year old helicopter, that is likely due to sanctions.

And ……………………..??????

How, or why, in your mind, is that synonymous with accusing someone of saying something bad about Iranian people?

If watching the Americans do it ,if flying 3 helicopters, the main man is in the middle, protecting them from incoming fire ,bit strange this as the other 2 landed and they would have the best one .

If they were flying in formation and 2 landed, why haven't they not found them ,surely they would have copped it straight away, location and radar in an instant.

A paradise for the right-wingers you drool over though.

I know the difference: Mossad is the intelligence service of the State of Israel.

And it was your side that brought up conspiracy theorists about "zionists" as per Post 2. From that point on, Israel, "zionists" Mossad or whatever were part of the conversation. Danzy didn't bring anything up out of the blue.

It was your side that started it with the "zionist" conspiracy theories. In the very second post. That is a fact.

And if you can defend the Iranians active participation in the ongoing genocide in Ukraine, that says more about you than it ever could about me.

If this was another country I'd say accident …. and it may well be one …. but it is v clear Ebrahim Raisi has many enemies within his country and outside of it ….

It is easy to say Netanyahu and Mossad …. they have form and they do things like this …. Iran and Netanyahu-run Israel are engaged in heightened tension due to the Gaza war we well know …. other wellknown Iran war monger Trump is not in power but he'll be posting comments with glee on his lies unsocial network !! …

There is a 3rd poss though …. Raisi's Iranian enemies …. Raisi has been a bit of a disaster and defo a v controversial president …. there is links to prisoner executions, embezzlement of charity/bonyad donation money and cronyism in his past … and of winning a rigged/low turnout election as well as heavy handed dealing with protests in his more recent years …. as president he is a yes man for the regime and did not deal with the public's concerns about poor relations with the world, a very poor economy, ridiculous 'Hijab' laws and the abuse of Covid 19 laws to impose 'Hijab' laws …. he has made himself v unpopular with large swathes of the Iranian people and this is bound to rub off on some army members and even govt members ….

In addition Raisi has enemies high up in the regime …. like most in Iran Raisi belongs to a faction …. the most far right faction which alienates moderates in Iran's politics like former pres Rouhani …. Raisi has also alienated other conservatives and far right hardliners who consider themselves not Raisi to be the legit leaders …. this is all made the more urgent because Ali Khamenei is reported to favour Raisi taking over from him …. many see Raisi as not the best leader or the most qualified …. especially Khamenei's powerful son who wants the position himself …. there also is a faction in the army who want to rid Iran of clerics and tone down the oppressive 'religious' laws and rule Iran as a South American-style right wing junta …. so maybe Raisi was taken out/attempted to be taken out by someone within Iran's establishment ?? ..

We will know soon enough …. if Raisi is dead or not ….. I am sure Iran will blame Israel or the West in some way as either directly or indirectly being responsible …. but cannot see them admitting to it being an insider job ….

Then again …. it could just be a tragic accident …..

Reuters and others saying passengers have died.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/5/19/iran-helicopter-accident-live-president-fm-on-missing-aircraft

Very informative post, unlike the tit for tat rubbish that pervades the thread.

Both confirmed dead.

God is not great.

Karma is a bit*h when it bites.

Good riddance to murderous men.

I wonder will this lead to a more moderate government in power? Probably just wishful thinking.

He was conservative by Iranian standards and it has been an absolute disaster for the country so it is very possible the next government will be the Iranian version of liberal.

He also claimed to be the anti corruption candidate in the last election so for those into conspiracy theories (the old fashioned kind not the anti vaxx nuts) it wouldn't be the first time an anti corruption politician "had their breaks cut"

so we’ve learnt that the Iranian state isn’t against a bit of ye ol’ ouija board.

Conspiracy or not, perfect location and cover up for assassination. 2 out of 3 gets away one gets caught.

He was knocked off by his successor, Mohammad Mokhber. Something to do with the mountain coming to Mohammad.