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Fury Vs Usyk

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭LowOdour


    Wonder were Furys comments on war and saying happy new year down to concussion, or just his general madcap brain?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,865 ✭✭✭geotrig


    For me Rd 1,2 usyk maybe rd2 fury or even, 3 4 fury came into the fight but felt they shared evenor usyk stillshaded them , Rd 5,6 was fury and while I don't agree that usyk looked f*cked he did look tired and uncomfortable fromshots fury was landing it seemed like fury was going to push on there,but we have seen this from usyk loads where he looks tired mid match and takes a back seat as such for a round or 2.

    Things I noticed was ,it took fury 3-4 rounds to start looking comfortable, he couldn't really roll the heavier shots from usyk like he normally does due to volume and accuracy of usyks shots,

    He kept getting caught in corner of ring early and used a bit of showboating to get out of it, reminded me why he can be unlikeable he wasn't able to use his size to tie up and lean on usyk. Very lucky it wasn't stopped but ref got it spot on . You gotto admire how fury can ride the ropes ring the way he did,also Fury doesn't have a belly button 😂

    While usyk is deemed not to have the "power", his shots must hurt some bit if everyone so far won't and doesn't push on against him when an opportunity arises

    Post edited by geotrig on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭hawaii501


    Thought usyk won rds 1-3 fury 4-7 and usyk winningmost of the later rds(can see why fury got a couple)

    Didnt think it was a split decision though.

    One question is how come fury shirts are always so high up, they were nearly up at his chest! Obviously no rules on this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,865 ✭✭✭geotrig


    To be fair he has always worn them that high

    Interesting stats fury threw more punches?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,999 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I absolutely got the Cordina result wrong. He was bashed. Cordina 7-1 on to win. Didn’t watch it really. Was he weak? Rumors struggling to make 130 lbs



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,454 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    It was a close enough fight. Apart from that final 90secs rd 9 Fury was never in serious trouble either, and he was well on top in rd 3, 4, 5, 6 and looked like he would win it. I think a rematch is the right option, give Fury the chance to correct his mistakes or Usyk the chance to prove without doubt he is better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,999 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yes. As I said, only man in proper trouble was Fury last 30 seconds rd 9..

    Big + for Usyk was winning championship rds. That’s where true greats show their class. He went and closed the show.

    One judge had Fury winning 2 of the last 3 rds. Two judges had Usyk winning 2 of last 3 rds. I thought Usyk deserved 10, 11 and 12



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭Henno30


    Wonder if there's any hope of Fury kicking the auld fella out of his corner? Constantly talking over Sugar Hill last night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,558 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    The ref at the start of fights tells the fighters where on each of them he deems a low blow.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane


    I mean I get it its his father, but surely Fury would know that John knows nothing, all John is doing is riding on the wave of his sons success, it gives him a platform to be mouthy but he knows nothing, has achieved nothing in boxing, isn't a coach and Tyson having him there drowning out the people who actually know something is ridiculous, Fury has good people around him.

    Maybe he doesn't want to upset him, because lets be honest John Fury is never going to be capable of sitting in the background just helping out, he has to be center of attention with Tyson, anything less and he'd throw a fit and have a fallout so maybe he's just placating him, but he's doing Tyson no favors, I mean jesus Christ he was telling him he had it won last night and not to go for it when that was exactly what Fury needed to do.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,255 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Muslim New Year in a few weeks not sure if it's June or July this year Fury obviously getting his well wishes in early.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,999 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Poor Fury. If only his corner had told him he was “down” going into the last round, he would have went out and finished Usyk.

    Deluded whinger. Between the above and Usyk winning because of the war..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    He's going for the Obelix look



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,390 ✭✭✭✭endacl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,426 ✭✭✭jj880


    Agreed. Fury is an embarrassment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,243 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    I see people suggesting Fury come in heavier next time and rough-house Usyk like he did Wilder in their 2nd fight - is that likely to work against a fighter as nimble as Usyk though? Presumably they looked at Usyk and decided lighter was better, Fury's not used to facing really skilled boxers (not recently anyway). A heavier Fury runs the risk of getting exhausted if he can't finish the fight early.

    Question on scoring - I thought Usyk clearly won that fight, but only the 115-112 judge reflected that. Are they not allowed to score a round as a draw? The guy who gave the fight to Fury had him winning pretty much every close round. On a round by round basis you could say "maybe" but when you look at the fight as a whole it gives distorted view of the story of the fight, like Fury dominated but got caught by a lucky shot in the 9th.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,999 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    You can score rds 10-10.
    8-4 for me

    I had it 117-110 first and now 116-111. I found it very difficult to score the very close rds to Fury, the man moving backwards and being pushed back by the man controlling the pressure and tempo.. cannot give them to Fury. Had it been Fury pressing, pushing Usyk back in the close rds, I score them Fury

    When Fury sits back and objectively views the fight he can only blame himself for losing, because he was not able to stop (or decided to allow) Usyk dictate the fight

    I watched with a mate. After 20 seconds I said Usyk will win. His whole demeanour, attitude and focus while straight away pushing the big man back told me he wins. Of course, I couldn’t know for certain. But I was right in the end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,394 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    people view it differently i suppose, i saw eddie hearn score it a draw, he had fury well up through the first 6 whereas others are giving usyk the first 3.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,243 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    yeah, I just looked it up and they can score 10-10 but it's apparently discouraged. None of the judges scored any rounds a draw on Saturday. Round-by-round scoring doesn't really tell the story of a fight, you're giving equal weight to rounds in which not much happens as one in which a fighter dominates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,394 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    thats how boxing has been scored for a long time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,999 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yes, very good to see all three judges scored rds to a winner, and no drawn rds.

    Just as well: compubox had Usyk fairly clear a winner, albeit compubox is just a guide. It is not a guarantee to decide who wins a fight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,999 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yes…and it's why I mention looking at the whole 36 mins, just for demonstration….tells a better story, albeit the fights are not judged this way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,243 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    I know, and with the plethora of organisations it's unlikely to change, but it has it's drawbacks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,394 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    on balance for me it works, other wise recency bias (i.e. the last 3 rounds) will decide a lot of fights,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,416 ✭✭✭GiftofGab


    My scorecard below. I had a few drinks on Saturday too so perhaps I'd need to rematch the fight again:

    Usky vs Fury

    1. 10-10

    2. 10 - 9

    3. 10-9

    4.9 - 10

    5. 9- 10

    6. 9 - 10

    7. 10 -9

    8. 10 - 9

    9. 10 - 8

    10. 10- 9

    11. 10 - 9

    12 9 - 10

    Total

    116 - 112



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,999 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    112 should be 111???

    Edit…no, you had round 1 a draw!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,718 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    It was definitely bad form whinging. But it wouldn't be unheard of to think you did better than you actually did. You don't have the advantage of the outside perspective when you are in there (which is why it's important not to make an eejit of yourself immediately whinging)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭drury..


    Was he not allowed sing American pie cos he was in Saudi or was it because he lost ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,999 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I doubt he was in the singing/celebration type mood



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭drury..


    Whatever about the celebrating its good business the singing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,999 ✭✭✭✭walshb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭drury..


    He makes a great song good

    Frank Warrens eyes light up $$$ everytime fury takes the mic to sing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,426 ✭✭✭jj880


    After Furys clowning and post fight comments Usyk should offer a rematch with the purse 70/20/10 Usyk/Fury/Ukraine. If Fury doesn't like it he can go make more reality TV showing him being a massive tosser to his wife.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,243 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    I'd have thought the split for the rematch is already set, but I'm not a boxing promoter so IDK.

    I don't think it'll be for all the belts though as the IBF are going to strip Usyk of theirs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,591 ✭✭✭✭Dont be at yourself


    First fight was close enough that a rematch is appealing. I'd have Usyk as favourite but it's still there for Fury.

    Assuming Usyk vacates the IBF, does that mean Hrgovic vs Joshua for the belt?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,394 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,426 ✭✭✭jj880


    I know but Usyk seems like the kind of guy who might tell Fury to shove it up his hole after his Ukraine war comments.

    Do we know the agreed purse split for the rematch? I dont see the details anywhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    hrgovic is fighting dubois in a couple of weeks, the rumours are joshua fights the winner for the belt if its free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,394 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    that would be a breach of contract then, i dont believe the split was disclosed but im open to correction on that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    im not sure there even was a split like normal, i think turkey shake just agreed terms (threw a big wad of cash) with each team



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭obi604




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭drury..




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭obi604


    This one.
    He makes a great song good

    Frank Warrens eyes light up $$$ everytime fury takes the mic to sing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,558 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    With all the excitement over the fight it's easy to overlook the real champion here.

    Stanislav Stepchuck who took on the fighting man John Fury and lived to tell the tale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,797 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    You can take the man out of Tuam but you can't take Tuam out of the man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,558 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    ..



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭badabing106


    It was a close fight. Tyson genuinely believed he won the fight because that was some of the messaging he was getting going into the final rounds

    For the rematch, John fury needs to be removed from the corner because he is contradicting the head coach. It must be really hard to grasp the context of a fight when you get mixed messaging



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Surprised it was a split decision. Usyk bossed and bullied Fury around the ring, and Fury spent most of his time running or on the ropes. Usyk was the aggressor and dictated the fight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    It wasn't half as close as the judges made it out to be, IMO.

    Usyk won at least 5, probably 6 rounds and one of them was a 10-8.

    Rounds 3 & 4 were were mighty close, probably the closest to drawn rounds in the entire fight, with the remaining rounds for Fury. I couldn't believe it was 1 point away from a draw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,212 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Well one extra round to Usyk makes it a three point difference, which is what I had it.

    One judge gave that score, one went 114-113 and the other gave it as 114-113 to Fury. I don't know how you could give it to Fury but I can understand a 114-113 to Usyk scorecard. That's giving them six rounds each and Usyk had a 10-8 round.

    The difference between them and me was giving round 12 to Fury.



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