Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Brexit was driven by anti immigration sentiment and was largely based on the fact that the UK didn't have control on their borders. So they voted to leave. Now, what happened after they left doesn't change the fact and reasons they voted to leave. Everyone except the people who voted to leave the EU knew that leaving the EU wouldnt make any difference on the number of asylum seekers they were going to receive.

Of course I accept that. I never claimed every Irish person thinks the same as I do. I accept there are a small of Irish people, like @john123470, who believe integration is impossible, who think "these people" (i.e. foreigners) will "will use their number to strongarm local elections."

As I've said, the upcoming elections will tell where.Irish people stand on those.issues.

When some says this, it blatantly clear what their position is on immigration. Stop pretending otherwise.

Why is it so hard for the pro immigration lobby to accept that Irish people do not want their culture / values diluted and replaced?

Funnily enough, this tactic did seem to work a year or two ago but not anymore. Anyone who mingles socially with groups will see how much more comfortable people are nowadays about speaking their minds regarding the asylum seekers/refugee situations, in public especially.

It stinks of a last-resort tactic as they know they're in the minority now and the "BIGOT, RACIST" shouting tactic does not work anymore either. The only place that still seems to work like that is the little reddit Ireland forum, but that place is near satire at this stage and mods just ban anyone who does not fit in the echo chamber.

Incomers will integrate as long as numbers are small, they are obliged to. When numbers are substantial though as they are now, different ethnic and cultural groups will form their own cliques and 'ghettoes'. The phrase 'birds of a feather flock together' is as true as it ever was.

A cornerstone of our policy re refugee and asylum seekers has to be to restrict and control the inflow, so as to facilitate integration and not allow groupings to form. John is right.

I’d not pay to much attention to that TD.

Just ignore JCMCN, she'd say anything to portray herself as the poster-child for EU wokeness, and is increasingly out of touch with the Irish people who support legal Immigration but not mass-illegal immigration. It's woke politicians like her who are pushing ordinary people into voting for "far" right candidates in elections..

There's not a chance Ireland can opt out of EU freedom of movement rules without leaving the EU and Single Market.

Also, going down this route would mean Irish people would no longer have any automatic right to live, work or study in the EU27 or the EEA.

@john123470 if my memory serves me correctly, Rodder’s multiple language tweets went out in Feb 2021 so before the Ukraine war.

Why is it so hard for you to not be so dishonest with the language you use?

Honestly it’s been brought up a hundred times on this thread, so bloody sick of it - the thread is about asylum seekers/refugees will you give up your pathetic attempts at muddying the waters to imply people are arguing for restrictions on all forms of immigration?

Seriously, you’re fooling nobody, just give it up, the thread gets derailed by people having to pull you and others up on this disingenuous BS constantly. It’s so regular I genuinely think you must be trolling at this stage.

There has been a lot of misinformation about those tweets (spread by Gript mainly, who keep rehashing the story). The tweets were in eight languages (two of which were English and Irish) and were aimed at people already living in Direct Provision in Ireland and concerned the decision to end the DP system.

Gript are still pumping out this nonsense to their followers in mid 2024 that those obscure tweets from February 2022 are the reason asylum seekers are coming here.

The same feeling isnt being felt here. There is no support for Irexit parties and there will still be no support for them after the local and upcoming European elections as well. As I said, Ireland and the UKs outlook on other cultures is vastly different.

I'm perfectly entitled to respond to posts made in this thread. If someone posts soemting like this

Why is it so hard for the pro immigration lobby to accept that Irish people do not want their culture / values diluted and replaced ?

Then I'll respond to this in this thread. If the term "pro immigration lobby" is deemed an accurate to term to usein this thread then the term "anti immigration lobby" is equally as valid.

Its beginning to look like that. Nothing stays the same forever. Immigration from the 3rd world will be the biggest issue from now on (climate change noted, but questionable whether that can be stopped, perhaps immigration the same). Immigration has been a trickle for decades, encouraged generally and any feelings of hesitation towards its categorised as racist, xenophobic etc. now the trickle is becoming a flood and there is a feeling of helplessness like a sleeping driver waking to see the headlights approaching. The beauty of the EU migration was that generally movement was as likely to be permanent as it was temporary with people moving home depending on stage of life... The movement now is the permanent kind, and the people more varied, more reliant on help and a economy less capable/willing to assist yet unable to remove them.

If that is the case, the Harris child has lost all credibility.

isn’t there a case or two coming before the high court of asylum seekers suing the government for not supplying them with accommodation.

So can we expect the occupants of tent town to start bringing their own cases