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The National Party

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,389 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,822 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Personally I am against violence/intimidation against any person who puts their name forward for election.

    Robust debate is ok in my book but nothing more forceful than that.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,459 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The all lives matter stuff again…

    You're literally shilling for actual Nazis.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,822 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    just by going on the “which party will you vote for” thread - looks like lots will be voting for independents and for new or smaller parties proposing sensible migration/anti human trafficking.

    No doubt the usual suspects on this thread will heap insults and abuse on that poll now…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Strangely enough, the vast majority of posters are unwilling to admit they'd vote for the national party though. 😂 I think a lot of you guys are gonna get a shock when the likes of Pepper etc fail to win any seat.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,389 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    But you've no problem with propagating myths about child abduction, while you and Pepper ignore actual violence carried out by far right thugs, mostly against women candidates?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,609 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    You're fine with violence and imtimidation when it's against certain people. I've proven this and you never countereed it.

    Robust debate is something you have no interest in particiapating in - several people have proven this, as have you by running away and not asnwering criticism of your posts.

    Here's the most recent:

    Seriously, you have to be an extra level of scumbag to see a child being kidnapped and think, "great! This is perfect for Twitter!", instead of calling for help - and you see this as not only totally logical behaviour but… morally acceptable??

    So - if you hate violence, how do you justify witnessing a child kidnapping and not helping? and if you suppost roust debate, how do you justify ignoring posts that counter your opinions?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    There'll be a bit of that, for sure. There'll also be one or two of the "it's the immigints" crowd who might well get elected and we'll see how long it takes their constituents to find out that they'll do fuck all for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,822 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    I simply mentioned his video with 3 witnesses I found compelling and credible.

    I do not condone the violence meted out to the suspect however I am glad AGS intervened and arrested him.

    May he face justice ASAP.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,459 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Ah yes, the silent majority trope. I'm sure they'll be out in force this time.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,822 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    another thing I am proudly against is this practise of defacing or destroying posters of candidates.

    This should not happen.

    Let the posters stay up and let the voters decide on ballot day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,609 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    I have a genuine fear that the far right will get a high number of votes (without anyone getting in) because of various protest votes.

    There's going to be a complete mess after the next general election sure to the sheer diversity of voting patterns with no overall winner and lots of losers.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Except we can say it was a hoax as there's no evidence of an attempted abduction. When you posted it, there was no proof of an abduction attempt.... So you were spreading lies ultimately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,609 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    For the THIRD time: how do you justify witnessing a child being kidnapped and thinking, "great! This is perfect for Twitter!", instead of calling for help?

    And how do you justify IGNORING posts that highlight your blatant bias and logical fallacies if you like robust deate?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,459 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Fair point. I'm just a bit fed up of hearing extreme positions being dressed up as sensible solutions. I live in the UK where the government has spaffed away all of its political capital to send a few hundred people to Rwanda while there is an asylum application processing list of almost 150,000.

    The FF-FG thing isn't a viable long term solution as when people get fed up of them, they'll vote for someone else like Sinn Féin. The Irish far right looks too clustered to be an effective force right now. So far, we have the NP, The Irish People, the Irexiter freedom party and Ireland First with some independents here and there. We should be safe enough for the next election but something will have to change. I tried to move to the Netherlands a few times recently and they've a worse housing crisis than Ireland and the UK and they've now got the most right wing government in Western Europe so something will have to change and change soon.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34





  • People have to start asking the question: why are further right parties becoming more popular in Europe?

    It's not happening in a vacuum.

    If you don't want further right parties (and by that, I mean more centre-right than usual; all the way to far-right) to gain support and enter government, then perhaps it would be better to address the reasons why more and more European voters are opting for right-wing parties.

    Because once those voter concerns are addressed, support for those parties would collapse overnight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,609 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    That's the problem. Yeah, the currect solution isn't working but this idea that an extreme one will…? And not one candidate has come forward to say HOW they're going to change things or implement their ideas and their supporters don't even have the desire to actually ask.

    FF/FG aren't working because they aren't clued in enough / strong enough, but then neither is anyone else; which is why I say it'll be a mess.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,609 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    That was answered to be fair: extreme solutions dressed up as sensible solutions.

    Also, you just have to look at beechwoodpark's complete refusal to accept logic when it comes to debate to see exactly what level their supports are at in terms of sheer denial. That helps their cause too.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,459 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    As Frankie Boyle once said, protest voting like defecating your bed because you're angry about it. At the end of the day, you have to lie in it.

    In fairness to the big two, none of Europe's governing parties have cracked it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,389 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    And yet, every professional opinion poll that has been carried out tells a fairly different story. It's almost as if self-selecting polls don't tell the full story.

    Does the fact that Gardai didn't arrest anyone for kidnapping, only a drunk for a public order offence, challenge the credibility at all for you?

    Does the fact that Pepper is extremely selective about the incidents he chooses to report on raise any questions for you about whether his concern for the victims of attacks is genuine?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭paul71


    I am honestly baffled that it requires 130 pages to explain to people that Neo-Nazis, Fascists or Nazis are simply just bad people.

    The only conclusion that I come to is that the bona videos of those defending them are not worthy of credence, and that they themselves are not in fact curious voters, but are in fact themselves fascists.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,979 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Again - He was arrested for Drunk and Disorderly behaviour and NOTHING ELSE.

    So absolutely nothing in the video that you found "credible" is within an arses roar of the truth.

    There have been 3 or 4 "reports" of apparent "attempted child abductions" in the last week or two promoted on social media by far right trolls and not one of them has seen a single person give a statement to Gardai to corroborate these claims.

    But, according to you , these are "credible" people.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,459 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It doesn't. Everyone know what they are at this point. The problem is that that's why some people want to promote them.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Do you think he doesn't know that the lad was only arrested on public disorder? It's bad faith posting to the extreme on his part. Why repeat that he was arrested as if it's going to help your argument when you are putting forward the kidnapping fake story and you know he wasn't arrested for that? Only one reason I can think of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,046 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Theres been more credible leprechaun sightings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Notmything


    Yet again you are implying there was an attempted child abduction and someone was arrested in connection to this.

    Yet time and again it's been shown none of this happened.

    You're debating in bad faith, ignoring anything that shows you to be wrong and repeating the same falsehoods. You and those wannabe tough guys are perfect for each other.





  • Up to 36% of the Irish electorate have expressed concerns about migration — hence the increase in support for the National Party.

    In your view, are all those 36% simply "fascists", "Actual Nazis", and far-right scumbags?

    If not, why not?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Just to note, it's unlikely that any of the bat **** insane parties will get elected in the European or local elections. The things they're more likely to continue is arson attacks or harassing library staff etc. Weirdly that doesn't seem to register as a concern. But the rhetoric still has the effect of Ireland potentially facing more violent attacks by individuals associated with such parties. There's at least one serious violent crime associated with them as of late btw.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on




  • With respect, that doesn't address any of the questions and data I referenced.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Your point was entirely irrelevant to the poster you responded to who was criticizing individuals who are actively trying to promote the national party. People who want them in power support fascism in some form. Just because you get offended that their supporters get referred to as far right, doesn't mean they're not.

    People can have concerns about migration. That 36% most likely have varying degrees of extremity on it. The fraction of them that are out rioting, spreading propaganda about kidnappings, harassing library library staff or picketing politician's homes or just being outright racist or xenophobic are the ones that are far right. Fyi, the far right right candidates only max out at maybe 4% of the vote.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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