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Irish White Privilege......Yeah

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    What did I do to you? Would you give over and get off that horse you are prancing around on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,791 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    sure the first slaves in Europe were the Irish weren't we?

    Should we not be remembering that as opposed to being resentful that we are white and relatively prosperous?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I'm sure you don't even realize how deeply racist and patronizing is what you've just said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    Reparations for the Irish. When do we want it? Now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭smax71


    Just that you seem to have such a deep seated guilt over white Irish privilege I'd be surprised if you weren't campaigning against FDI with white Irish taking American workers jobs. Maybe you're just a young idealist who hasn't yet had moved out of a safe middle class home.. I get that all the time from my 20+ year old daughter enjoying life in college with the hand constantly outstretched for a few bob while guilt ridden about all the advantage bestowed on middle class while males from my generation. Amazing how the tune changes when there are responsibilites to be taken on and bills to be paid. The real world is a great leveller



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    That's a fantasy spread about by American white supremacists. Irish people were never slaves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    I'm not sorry I'm white or Irish or have my own home or have a job or have good health or have had an education or wouldn't know what a.hungry day was like.

    Why should I apologise for something I can't help . I was born white. I treat others well if you treat me well.

    In other words, leave me be.

    I live my life and don't interfere with anyone. Don't begrudge anyone anything. And I wish these politicians aka tossers would sh@g off and maybe get some sense

    But hey, never said I was an optomist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,640 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    Indeed. Most people cop on when faced with real world responsibilities.

    If this thread proves anything, there’s a small cohort of middle-aged Peter Pans, who continue to indulge in this rubbish, decades after their peers have moved on. Plus ca change for this site..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,791 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Not sure about your summary there.

    Are you saying Irish peasants weren’t forced off their land and sent to the Caribbean to work on plantations, where they received no money for their “employment”?

    Also are you saying Irish people were never Traded by vikings either?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,508 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    I take your point about the EU, but seriously, that's not white privilege.

    It would be "white privilege" only if someone had to be white to benefit from it. That"s not the case: a black person with French or Dutch citizenship gets all the same benefits of EU membership as a white person with the same citizenship - and a white British or American or Australian does not.

    It grinds my gears when people try to apply a US understanding of society to the rest of the world: they have white privilege over there because black people with US citizenship did not have the same rights as white people. Black American soldiers posted to the UK and the rest of Europe were amazed to discover that they could drink in the same bars as their white counterparts. That's not to say there was never any racism in Europe. Same as in China they're often quite racist to non Chinese or whatever. But that's not "Chinese privilege", and anyway it still wouldn't apply to all the other Asian states just because of China.

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,447 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    I think that's your fantasy. All people are/were slaves.

    Irish people/celts were 100% slaves. Where they the first? I doubt it.

    Africans had African slaves etc. American slavery is very recent and was barbaric. But please stop trying to write your own history. It shows you up to be foolish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,746 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Can you explain how FDI is taking jobs from American workers?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    I think this applies to silver spoon elite at times too. If they had to do a hard days slog to pay bills and keep a roof over your family head and too busy to worry about whoes breaking rocks on the far side of the planet.

    Maybe white privilege be the last thing on your mind



  • Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭smax71


    Agree but you dont have to go to the other side of the world to find people who wake up each morning and worry about the day ahead. Certainly considering themselves to be in privileged position would not be the 1st thought to cross their mind. Not everyone resident in this country, temporarily or otherwise, is in a privileged position. Whitey Irish are not all JP McManuss. Maybe rather than brow beating ordinary people with a priviledged name tag, these concerned folk would be better off targeting the reasons all people suffer with disadvantage and seek to identify tangible means to reduce this disadvantage. Probably not cool though though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Can I ask if I should feel guilty being a middle aged male hetrosexual Caucasian in Ireland? Just the farm takes up a lot of my time.

    Nah. I don't. Kinda racist if you ask me(as well as sexist, phobic and disgusting).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    What is mad is that Irish feminists are the one's pushing white privilege while simultaneously believing women are oppressed!!! How can both be true, both very extreme positions polar opposite of one another....These are grown adult women.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,443 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Have you ever knowingly been discriminated against for any reason? I'm asking because most people who come out with those kind of statements have never actually knowingly experienced discrimination. You can be better treated that someone else but still not treated as well as someone else and once it happens to you'll get it.

    If you go into a Swiss federal office or are stopped by the Swiss police along with a German, then as an Irish person the chances are good that you'll catch an breaks going and he will not despite the fact he will be talking same language as the official is and you'll be speaking English. And they probably will not even bother to hiding the fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    But that's got nothing to do with what I said.


    If I said I believe I am privileged and i'm also oppressed, how could I expect anyone to take me seriously?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    It's only on the internet I feel privileged. What's privileged?

    I worked and have my own house, two cars. Should I feel bad for that? Feck that.

    Because I have crap suntan I should feel guilty? Different levels of melatonin? It's racist.

    I hate white people hating white people. I'll guarantee they have done nothing in their lives and living off their mammys apron strings, pathetic.

    Grow some balls boys.



  • Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭smax71


    Jaysus we're rapidly descending into a space where it will not be socially acceptable to dislike someone, or more accurately to articulate it in public. In fairness we're borderline already there in the schools. Recently heard of a crisis almost classified as bullying where a 10 year old boy told a 10 year old girl he didnt like her. Would have thought that was a rite of passage from both sides😂

    How did the schools handle it? Rang up the boys parents and said this was a serious matter and the girls parents had made a complaint. What next🤔



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Just standard doublethink really

    Dogmatic belief in completely contrary stances

    Similar to how they want to protect Muslims freedom of beliefs despite them being sexist and homophobic. If the exact same beliefs were being espoused by white Irish people i.e. the Catholic Church of old, they would be dead set against them.

    Cognitive dissonance incarnate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Delete

    Post edited by Mr. teddywinkles on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Politicians arguing Irish white privilege has become the modern Irish version of the four Yorkshire men sketch.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Would I have a much harder life in Ireland if I looked like Lebron James rather than being a pasty looking Irish man. 100%. Are the far right people on here going to pretend they'd not discriminate against someone looking like that? I presume getting employment, housing and just life in general would be harder. He'd probably do better than me on Tinder though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,669 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Do we have a history of systemic racism in Ireland? Does someone who looks like Lebron James not live a better life here than the country his parents likely came from (of which they left of their own free will for a better life)?

    As a left handed women, “my people” have more of a history of systemic violence and oppression against us in this country than black people!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,820 ✭✭✭creedp


    Presumably a perfect human calling everyone that doesnt agree with his ideas far right. Is life that simple in some peoples eyes? Hope Santa called to all and you feel priviledged this mornings🎅🎅



  • Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭RobbieV


    White folks are the only race willfully throwing their future away.

    Happy Christmas



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,344 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    No, we have only become racist since the foreigners moved here 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,820 ✭✭✭creedp


    All humans, and not just whitey Irish naturally favour their own kin, whether it be family, people from thier village, town, city, province, country, on and on. Always was. Always will. Nature of the beast



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭Cordell


    It's not the skin colour, it's the general looks, body language, vocabulary and accent that will do you in, just like if you were a pasty Irish traveller.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,344 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Nah, not at all.

    Most people just treat people like people.

    And you don't have to be racist to others to favour your own 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,640 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    Indeed. It’s a fundamental evolutionary behavioural pattern.

    Evidently, the only people who fail to acknowledge this are a small cohort of posters around here. Given their posting ‘throughput’, I’ll wager that their experience of real life relationships is, shall we say, rather limited.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,023 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    It's just context though. Beside one person you'll have had a privilaged position by comparison. Beside someone else, they'll have had a privilaged position in comparison to you.

    Going back to the OP, the thing referenced was not actually saying "all white people are privilaged", it was talking about actually just being aware of one's position, just being conscious of what things might make life easier, and what things might make life harder (with being white, or being Irish cited as examples), so you can maybe help or even just be empathetic of others. And maybe make choices (voting etc) in a way that will provide more equity with those above and below. It's reductive to just look at it as "white male", there's myriad little benefits that one person may have over another from the get-go - most probably coming from the financial class, family, and location you're born into. IMO there's no harm in teaching people to just be a bit conscious of what's going on around them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,377 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    If Irish White Privilege does exist, and I've no doubt it does in aspects, its been well earned by Irish people whose hard work and entrepreneurship have made themselves and this society wealthy. It was a very different story when I was young, I can assure you.

    And for many years it was hindered by the inate conservatism of government, rather than enabled and supported. Governments have invariably proven themselves to be well behind the zeitgeist of the people.

    However, if there is a sense of privilege, it doesn't concern me particularly. It contributes to confidence and enthusiasm and I'm really gratified to see in my friends and family that they make sure their kids know and understand how lucky they are, and that only hard work will give them a life that they want for themselves and loved ones.

    A friend of mine is a multimillionaire, he owns and runs a couple of midsize businesses and has a wonderful life doing it. But his eldest kid is 11, and a more kindly, more empathetic boy you could not wish to meet. He will be plenty spoiled this Christmas, but do you know when their kids get to open their gifts on Christmas day?

    When the family gets back from 3 hours serving lunch to the less fortunate and those alone today, at the local Rugby club.

    Have faith in this Country, I do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Wtf are you on about. You think the irish had it good throughout times. Read a history book will ya.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Work for it and fight for it like the irish did. We dont owe shite lads.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    The problem is the same kid will look at his so called privilege and say the same of the rest of us. There inlies the problem right there.

    Start preaching from on high to us all down the road. Which is basically the parents fook up to begin with. Would u agree? Some people are so sheltered it results in ignorance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    You're mixing up internet stories , slavery was very much part of our culture


    Completely useless fact though in relation to how it keeps coming up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭bb12


    It's been hidden from our history how cromwell kidnapped thousands of irish and shipped them off to Caribbean to the plantations in the 1600s...they literally raided villages and grabbed young children which were never to be seen again. i believe Rihanna has irish heritage descended from some of those slaves

    also earlier than that, it's never mentioned how dublin had the largest slave market in europe run by the vikings...they shipped irish slaves all over europe and to the middle east...i believe this may be the reason why some middle eastern people have blue eyes



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    That's recent enough, we had a few slave masters of our own, our patron Saint being one of them. Obviously that could be made up but it's still tells us slavery was part of us



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Which is a natural part of our genetics , we're programmed to be like that, we also have advanced brains that can over rule our instincts too so it cancels out



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    From post #1 - August last year...

    "The National Council for Curriculum & Assessment (NCCA) released a new draft for the secondary SPHE curriculum that wants “white privilege,” “male privilege,” & gender ideology taught to Irish kids. In the draft curriculum it urges children to recognize their “privileged status” as a “white, male or Irish person,” & while telling them to seek positive portrayals of “LGBTQI+” gender identities in media amongst other things."

    So here we are nearly a year later and I'm curious to know what's happening with the implementation & acceptance (by parents) of all this, as quoted above? Are parents protesting or are they accepting the teaching of .…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    White privilege in Ireland - The new Catholicism.

    People in Ireland always looking for a stick to beat themselves with. Always.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    In all upcoming elections vote for candidates that will get rid off this sort of nonsense.

    White privilege in Ireland a country opposed for hundreds of years, give me a break.

    And male privilege? Tell that to the women in my family and they will laugh at you. They are doing very well for themselves.

    As for gender ideology, well it’s quite simple imo. There are only 2 genders or sex they are male and female.

    Don’t follow America on all of this, it’s a farcical mess over there. And getting worse. Stand up for what you know in your heart is right.





  • I haven't seen any data on Ireland regarding this, but the UK recently — and sensibly — updated their guidelines to prevent many of these ideas being taught to children under the age of 9.

    I suggest we follow suit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Irish White Privilege......Yeah

    yeah would you ever go and fook off for yourself and take that American bolloxology with ya.

    I have told my kids to tell anyone that pedals this shyte to them that they have Mayo generations in them, a county that had the attached tag "Mayo God Help Us".

    A county that was the worse affected by the famine and subsequent emigration which now means most families have distant branches throughout the US, Canada, UK and Australia/New Zealand.

    And they got SFA given to them when they got there.

    They worked hard for everything they gained.

    So they can shove their white privilege where the sun don't shine.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    A vote for any party that pushes this nonsense is a vote for bigotry. Unfortunately it has been normalized in recent times, but only in media and political circles. Time, again, to give these scumbags a good kicking in the voting booths! I detest bigots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭Jizique


    I was happy to have Kellie Harrington as a positive role model but then the media decided to cancel her because she shared news of a horrific murder in France and we can't be having that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Gary_dunne


    You do realise that SPHE is taught in secondary schools so starting from 12/13 year olds?

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,709 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    So many of the posts here seem to be written by the same person, even though they are from different posters:

    'Irish white privilege - dont make laugh….. yada yada yada ……woke b********ology….something something"



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