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The National Party

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  • #4052
    The Phantom Jipper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭The Phantom Jipper


    I have to laugh at these videos that get shared or recommended where the guy is an "interesting candidate" or "makes a good point". And then you actually watch it and it invariably ends up being the biggest bowsey and scumbag the city has to offer



  • #4053
    francois
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,490 ✭✭✭francois


    Looking forward to the rage tweeting, semi coherent insta reels and general dribbling as the fash lose their deposits.

    Stolen election, MSM and other predictable excuses incoming. They think bots and far right accounts from Uk US and Canada will somehow translate into a glorious far right revolution.



  • #4054
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122163294#Comment_122163294

    Yep, I'd say that posters are greatly overestimating the vote share they'll get.



  • #4055
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,972 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122163206#Comment_122163206

    "Concerned about Immigration" covers a multitude.

    One could be concerned that we aren't providing decent accommodation to asylum seekers leaving them in tents etc.

    One could be concerned that the process of Asylum verification takes too long and as such is unfair to all involved

    One could be concerned that we are wasting huge amounts of money and being incredibly inefficient in the whole process.

    Those concerns are reasonable and warrant discussion and answers/plans from Elected officials and candidates for office.

    However there are those whose concerns are not those things - They say things like "Ireland for the Irish" and "Go back to where you came from" and "They're all rapists and paedos" or use terminology like "Fighting Age male". Or even invent stories of attempted kidnappings and assaults to create anger and confusion.

    Do I need to explain to you which of the above concerns are those of Racist Xenophobic arseholes or can you work that out for yourself??

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #4056
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭paul71


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122163141#Comment_122163141

    So 64% are not concerned. That seems to reflect my opinion of general sentiment.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • #4057
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭paul71


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122163141#Comment_122163141

    I am reminded of an apt description of the brexit debate in the UK. Not all Brexiteers are xenophobes but all xenophobes will vote for Brexit.

    When discussion the National party it quote can take a little more Nuance. Not all racist scum will vote for The National Party, but all who will vote for them are racist scum, and those who shill for them are also racist scum.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #4058
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,609 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122163206#Comment_122163206

    That's because you made another irrelevant statistical post.

    The poster said that 1) nazis/neo-nazis/fascists et al are bad people, and 2) people who spread videos must only be doing do so because they're fascists.

    Now, had they said "people who have concerns about immigration" are 1) nazis/bad people, or 2) are spreading the videos, your stat would have been relvelant; but they didn't, so it's not.

    Case in point: I have concerns about immigration but I'm not a fascist or spreading videos.

    (Alternatively, it would be relevant if you could prove that all 36% of those with concerns were expressing said concerns by supporting the far-right parites, but I'm guessing the figure's not that high)

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #4059
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122163625#Comment_122163625

    Yep, none of the far right candidates are polling particularly well. Think concerned has run away for a bit.



  • #4060
    Hoop66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,430 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122163141#Comment_122163141

    Those with "concerns" - fine. Those who have expressed support for the National party - scumbags.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #4061
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,455 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The "genuine concerns" thing is one of the biggest lies going. People have genuine concerns about fascists but we get told not to worry about it. People have genuine concerns about local transport and services but the NP folks couldn't care less.

    Are some concerns more genuine than others?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • #4062
    Daniel Scruffy Fashion
    Posts: 0 ✭ Daniel Scruffy Fashion


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122163437#Comment_122163437

    People obsessed about asylum seekers in this country do opt for the National Party. That's undeniable. As you say, there are legitimate issues regarding asylum that do need to be addressed.

    But that's not my primary concern though, nor most people's concern — and that larger cohort of the population do not support the National Party for that very reason.

    Lumping us all together is both wrong and absurd in equal measure.



  • #4063
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,822 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    another candidate worth having a look at is the former DJ Niall Boylan - he has some good common sense policies as far as I can see and he seems decent.



  • #4064
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,822 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    as usual I address this to the open minded undecided voter who is respectfully considering their vote and preferences.

    There are many, many ppl like me who are quietly going about their business of working through candidate lists and making their own minds up - it’s called a democracy.

    Just FYI I won’t respond to barrages or tirades of abuse and insults and sneers.



  • #4065
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,636 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Overwhelmingly, people concerned about asylum seekers don't opt for the National Party — at least, if we pay attention to opinion polls. The proportion of the population expressing various concerns in relation to asylum-seekers is many, many times greater than the proportion that either expresses support for the National Party in the same polls or votes for them in actual elections. Only a small fraction those with concerns about asylum seekers vote for the National Party, and you have to think that what characterises them is not so much that they are concerned about the problems posed by asylum seekers as that they are drawn to fascism to address those problems.



  • #4066
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,175 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122164005#Comment_122164005

    No, he doesn't!



  • #4067
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,609 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122164005#Comment_122164005

    Yeah, sure!!

    …. it's been highlighted to you several times that your definition of someone with "good common sense" is the people who witness children being kidnapped and doesn't help or tell the guards - either you're clueless beyond belief or, at this point, just trolling.

    My money's on the trolling.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #4068
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,455 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Common sense policies they can't name once again.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #4069
    RonanG86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭RonanG86


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122163825#Comment_122163825

    If the concern can be addressed by throwing all the foreigns out then it's genuine.

    Get with the programme.



  • #4070
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,609 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122164009#Comment_122164009

    Ah, go on….

    https://fatherted.gifglobe.com/scene/?id=x6UcUnmtQTNZ

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #4071
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭paul71


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122164005#Comment_122164005

    An anti vaxer. You seem to deliberately latch onto every single deranged sociopath in the country.



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  • #4072
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122163996#Comment_122163996

    People who vote the national party are either are happily voting for Nazis. That's the reality. The larger cohort aren't going to vote for any of the far right parties.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122164009#Comment_122164009

    What will you say when none of them are actually elected? Cause thankfully that's the way it's going.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #4073
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,609 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122164085#Comment_122164085

    Wants to legalise prostitution. Would not have thought beechwood'd agree with this one, to be honest.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #4074
    Daniel Scruffy Fashion
    Posts: 0 ✭ Daniel Scruffy Fashion


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122164122#Comment_122164122

    You don't have to agree with everything a candidate or party says to back them with your vote.

    If that were the case, nobody would ever be able to vote for anyone, ever. It's unrealistic.



  • #4075
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭paul71


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122164158#Comment_122164158

    There are basic tenants of human decency that are required of ALL people never mind those seeking election. Vile racism and dangerous life threatening rhetoric about vaccines are beyond the pale of what is acceptable in a decent human being, all of the persons mentioned by both you and the other poster fail spectacularly on these basic tenants.

    As are those shrilling on behalf of these individuals.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #4076
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,972 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122164158#Comment_122164158

    Indeed - However given that the poster in question has mentioned at least a half a dozen candidates that they feel are "decent people with common sense policies" and "worth considering for a vote" but has yet to mention what a single one of these "common sense policies" actually are it's difficult to discern where the affinity lies.

    And given that said candidates are largely known for holding either extreme right-wing views or conspiracy theory riddled nonsense , the rest of us struggle to see where the alignment is.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #4077
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,455 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Boylan just looks like another grifter to me. The usual mainstream right views on vaccines, non-white people and everything else.

    I wish Ireland could stop looking for MEPs in its cultural toilet. Then again, I live in the UK where they sent antisemitic racist Farage to Brussels so maybe I should not complain too much.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #4078
    I.R.Y.E.D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,103 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122164183#Comment_122164183

    Well if you were to support the idea of leaving migrants to drown, or accused Marcus Rashford of being a paedophile because he supported a charity providing food for underprivileged children, maybe you would be drawn to support people without any decency.



  • #4079
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122164158#Comment_122164158

    He's a radio shock jockey that often invited mentally vulnerable people onto the show for entertainment. He's unlikely to be elected though.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #4080
    mountain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭mountain


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122163825#Comment_122163825

    this is so very true,

    NP, Bligh, Dwyer etc get very worked about immigration, never seem to mention any other issues



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  • #4081
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,329 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122164005#Comment_122164005

    Oh, has he now joined the National Party and is therefore relevant to this thread?

    It's not the "shill for a random right-winger" thread.

    Scrap the cap!



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