The Tipperary GAA Discussion Thread

Why would you come on to a Tipp thread and post something like that after a bad performance?…. Seriously…. Have a small bit of cop on.

They did ok for the most unfit and fattest team we ever put out. Are they training for tug o' war or something? They would not come out of Leinster either. Did their best this year to look as bad as the footballers which is some going.

the hurlers aren’t there …Cahill isn’t the problem …remember most tipp supporters were crying out for him to come back from Waterford ….tipp hurling is a long way from trophies ….harsh reality for supporters

God it's hard to know where the problems start and end today, and with the team in general... from my perspective our lads looked "slow and butty" compared to cork who were fast, tall and strong. Most of our match ups seemed the poorer relation in terms of physical physique when compared to their opposition. Why? Are the lads lifting too much and not doing enough cardio? Is this some attempt to address the increased physicality of Limerick the last few years? Good idea on paper perhaps, but in reality, if that has been the strategy, our lads are left with lead in their boots and second to most balls. So disappointing from a bunch of lads who, individually, are all capable of some fantastic hurling.

As for the poor fan turn out today, in our own stadium, it's hard to credit.

a team not hurling well ..poor form and not expecting to win …..but still we knew a win would leave us in a decent position …it was cork ….sample stadium …good summer day ….are tipp supporters a bit like there team ….soft ….criminal to see a sea of red in Thurles today

As bad as it gets.

Total failure of management in terms of tactics, preparation, S&C, substitutions (Barrett left on after a clear injury leading directly to a goal).

Total failure of the players to yet again show any type of pride, workrate, effort, passion. The amount of players that gave up after the 2nd Cork goal was shameful. Ronan Maher and Noel McGrath the only two who can't be criticised on this front.

Don't want to absolve the players too much as the minimum expectation is you fight for the shirt even if you don't have the ability. I expect it's easier to keep the head when you have some faith in the gameplan, that it can get you back into the game. Clare went 7 points down against this Cork team in the second half and didn't capitulate, just knew they would get back into it if they kept plugging away. Limerick 8 down to this Cork team the same, albeit they coughed up the win in injury time.

I was sat in the stand wondering what absolute nonsense our approach was. Just mind boggling stuff.

I don't know what happened in between the Limerick game and Waterford game last year but something did. Did Cahill start getting too cute for his own good? Billy Nolan running to the half way line unopposed on about 15 occasions as we just sat back and let him decide where he wanted to put it, combined with total flatness from the players. That mixture of tactical stupidity and flatness/poor effort has been repeated in the games v Galway, Clare (league), Limerick and today.

Davy when he came into Waterford claimed he had a monumental job to pick up the players from where Cahill left them, that they were in an awful state. He was laughed at then but don't think anyone is laughing anymore. Something seriously rotten in that camp.

Don't know where we go from here. Hard to justify letting this go on for another year, especially after two historically bad performances up there with the worst the county has ever seen, just weeks apart. But who comes in? Willie Maher I suppose, either way, some truly dark days ahead.

I have to be honest here in my almost 40 years alive i'd say this is the worst Tipp team in my lifetime.

For a Tipp team to allow Cork to do that to them in Thurles is unprecedented. Where ye go from here i don't know, but i do know that hurling needs a strong Tipperary.

Maybe Liam Sheedy should come back and try and get something going again. For an outsider looking in it seems that Tipperary's famed hurling spirit is broken.

Well if we're leaving the current backroom team there because " but who do we get to replace them !" then we're at nothing. Bonner was shafted, and shafted he was , for a lot less. A basic ability for any backroom team is to have the squad passionate, strong and raring to go and die with their boots on, none of that on display for a long time now. I actually believe the management team should be gone before the Clare match.

I agree a big rebuilding job has to be undertaken but that has to include rebuidin the management and backroom team .

Well someone has to make a decision because things cannot remain the same. I cannot offhand think of one positive that has emerged from the senior county set up in the last several years and that includes the appalling support the team is getting which I've been highlighting for years. There's no quick or painless solution here and feathers in the county board will also need to be ruffled.

I would go so far as to say an EGM needs to be called to address this whole issue. Not just the results which are appalling anyway but the whole manner of those defeats and the general demeanour going back years now needs to be addressed. Either that or leave things as they are which is another way of just throwing your hat at it.

In better news for Tipp GAA today, Minor Hurlers won Munster tonight vs Clare 2-17 to 0-16

What really summed up yesterday (with all due respect) was bringing John McGrath on. He has not been at intercounty standard for a number of years now and had zero impact. That showed the sideline really were out of their depth for me. Every county loses, but it's the downing tools so early on and showing no fight that gets me. Was the exact same in Bonnars last game in charge 2 years ago vs Cork.

Yep comparing the 2009-2019 team to this tipp team, that makes sense alright.Frail, 3 all irelands in 10 years for that tipp team while one of the greatest team to ever play the game were opponents for some of it, that limerick team of the 90s is what you call frail tbf. Should have won couple all irelands, pity for a great like ciaran carey he had teammates who had no bottle, bunch of chokers that limerick team.

People should look at attendances of leinster, think galway Kilkenny drew 9k, was 44k in thurles sunday, admittedly vastly more cork then tipp but we still had over 10k at it. For comparison, last round of the Qualifiers in 2016 for a place in a qf saw Cork Wexford Limerick and Clare come to thurles for a double header only 16,000 turned up.

So this notion limerick,clare and cork always bring great attendance is simply false. Easy to get big attendances when winning and a tide is rising like in cork as they have been starved of success but something is brewing leeside.

Would have done if kilkenny were not around, i do agree they probably should have but to say they were mentally fragile is not fair, they stopped the 5 in a row, that's not a fragile team. Calling the supporters a disgrace a bit much too, i have shown to you 4 counties in ko scenario in 2016 couldn't muster more then 16k fans between them. Its not just a tipp problem and i wouldn't call limerick,cork clare or wexford fans a disgrace for it. Anyway time to finish the night shift and head home so i'll leave it at that.

Hard to know what happened Tipp. Last year in Cork looked a team who would put it up to Limerick. There is definitely a mentality issue given the collapse to Limerick and Cork in the second half. Both of these teams score highly and if you give them freedom then the scores will go up fast.

I did. I ,silly as it sounds, expected an almighty effort, passion and do or die effort going into the 2 last games knowing if we won we were into a munster final.