All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship 2024 (Munster And Leinster Championships,Liam McCarthy Cup)

The Tipp support this year has been a joke.

They were absolutely anonymous in Limerick a few weeks back. Ourselves and Clare have been through way worse than Tipp have now and we never had a showing so pathetic. Cork too never stopped travelling in the 20 year wait for an All Ireland.

Donal Og called out Waterfords fans last year in Cork, had a go at Clare fans after the Limerick game this year for blaming referees, now having a go at Tipp fans.

I was in Walsh Park in 2022 against Cork, there was maybe 4,000 fans there from Cork at a push. They were still very much in the championship as it turned out. No word from Donal Og on that occasion.

Not having a go at Cork, I think it highlights that with the increase in games and travel that if things are not going well people vote with their time & pocket.

I think it's really bad form though that we get this sort of bias from a pundit, only one of several issues I'd have with the views he's expressed this year and how nobody is challenging it.

Any Cork gave I have been at has had a sizable crowd and I never felt at a Cork, Clare or Tipp (in the past) game that the opposition fans let them down.

So unless there is some sort of special cost of living crisis unique to Tipperary then their fans need to have a good look at themselves.

With the exception of his rants where hurling has the ability to replace soccer around the world I think he is usually spot on with his criticism. He has no problem having a go at Cork but wouldn't have a go at their fans because they don't deserve it.

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Its a shame about what's happening with Tipp. A traditionally strong hurling county. They look like a team in serious transition with all the changes happening over the last few years. It might take them a while to get back to the top table. At this stage you would have to see the eventual AI winners being Limerick, Cork or Clare.

Tipperary have won an all Ireland in every decade AFAIK. Hard to see it this time.

Bit of an overreaction there! Last all ireland 2019 and they qualified out of Munster last year and are in transition this year, what do you want, them to be qualifying every year? They're in the munster final in both u17 and u20, have won a minor all ireland lately and the club game is strong. They won't be down for long...realistically the sane thing will happen Limerick when their generational talents retire too...

Jesus you talk some amount of scutter in here.

Cork and Limerick have a way better points tally than Clare so it will be same as the chart you quoted.

Waterford have to batter Limerick and Clare barely lost to Tipp for Clare not to come last in a 4 points 3 way tie.

Anyone else think that the throwing reached beyond farcical levels over this weekend?

Refs, commentators, pundits, supporters seen to have given up bothering about it. Players don't even attempt a hand-pass nowadays (bar a sublime one to create a goal in the Clare game).

It really needs a rule change.

I felt certain that there were 2 or 3 thrown passes on the way to (I think) Cork's 3rd goal against Tipp? Sure half the time the referee is 40/50 yards away from the play anyway or behind the player's bodies so couldn't possibly see. So I agree a rule change is needed, because it is impossible to enforce as it currently is.

In regard to the post mentioning steps; it has gone out of control in fairness. Now steps IS enforceable but they are too picky/choosy about when they enforce it (and where on the pitch they enforce it)

I think someone alluded to it earlier, if all those technical fouls, like steps and throws were penalised with an indirect free the refs would be willing to pull them up for it more.

The game might be a bit stop startish for a couple of seasons but players would adjust to it fairly quickly. The throwing has become a bit of a farce.

Marty was exceptionally insufferable on Sunday. It's worse he is getting. It shows the distain that RTE sport have for hurling . This guy reads off a pre scripted sheet before the game and then says 'they love their hurling in Cork ' 10 times. Let's not even start with the geography lesson.. 'Pat horgan from the North side of Cork city', ' Shane Kingston from the south side of Cork City'..'Fitzgibbon from North Cork'... 'Jimmy Jones from the North East part of West Cork.." god save us. And Marty from the backside of West Clare where there isn't an Ash tree for a 40 mile radius

This is the weekend where I finally conceded to myself that there is no point in talking about throws or steps anymore, for this year at least.
We're 4 or 5 years into systematic throw ball and the situation is only getting worse each year, with less scrutiny by the media. Now, not only are the throws ignored by everyone, goals involving multiple throws are hailed as brilliant team goals, goal of the weekend etc. by pundits.

Certain teams are praised for how efficiently they can move the ball out of tight situations into space, while everyone ignoring a significant contributor to that efficiency. I don't know how some of the ex-player pundits can keep a straight face while talking viewers through replays of passages of play involving multiple throws, there is zero chance they don't notice.

Steps are possibly easier to referee than throws but when refs decided to add on a totally arbitrary number of additional allows steps for when a player appears to being fouled, the steps goose was cooked. Now everyone is used to seeing passages of play where the allowed steps is exceeded and the steps creep continues. The highest profile steps incident of the weekend involved Billy Ryan, it should have been penalized, the resulting goal disallowed and Dublin winning the game, yet it wasn't even close to being the most extreme abuse of steps in that game (despite what the co-commentator claimed) and was pale in comparison to some other goals we've seen this year or Patrick Horgan's 5 steps one way, 5 steps the other way routine that we saw for multiple points on Sunday.

It is difficult to overstate the effect that this ignoring of rules has on the game, like how can you defend? You hear pundits criticizing a defender for letting an attacker passed him while ignoring that the attacker was already on 4 or 5 steps and at the exact point at which the attacker should have put the ball on his hurl allowing the defender to attempt to dispossess, the attacker changed direction or stepped inside and took at another 4 or 5 steps before taking a shot

Anyway, unfortunately nothing is going to change until its being talked about in the media again and there is no sign of that happening soon

There is one permutation that could cause a fair bit of confusion at the weekend.

If Wexford beat Kilkenny and Galway draw with Dublin, then Kilkenny, Galway and Dublin would all have 6 points.

In Leinster, it then comes down to the head to head records of the three tied times. In that mini league Kilkenny would have 3 points, Galway would have 2 points, and Dublin would have 1 point.

But it would be Kilkenny and Dublin that would qualify. This is because the rule states that the head to head records above are only used to determine which of the three tied teams is placed highest.

It then reverts to a head to head between the still tied teams, and as Galway and Dublin would have drawn, it would go to overall scoring difference in the group, where Dublin would have the advantage.