Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Apparently each modular home costs 400k, that will be some bill in Clonmel

You've just accepted that there will never be political will to help Irish people and I think that's the point. Why is there zero political to help Irish people but billions to spend on refugees? Can you not see how thats incredibly frustrating

We are told our nurses and gards can’t afford rent in Dublin, with some emigrating cause of the cost.

Why wasn’t modular homes offered as a solution for these people?

What a kick in the teeth to the Irish working people.

It feels like we are slowly moving back to the more realistic appraisal of the effect of these tweets. Appreciate a different poster said it but the original conversation here was partially an assertion that the tweets were a major factor in the spike and that the Ukraine War was actually a less relevant factor than the tweets.

If we are now saying that the tweets might have had the effect of appearing here and there and might have formed part of some people’s reasoning to venture to Ireland (even though I’d imagine it was in conjunction with other things), then I could take that as a reasonable argument. It’s another thing entirely to say that but for these tweets we would not have seen a spike.

It's almost as if addressing pull factors that are within our control works but the poster you're replying to is insistent that we should ignore pull factors and concentrate on push factors that are outside of our control. You'd be forgiven for thinking that they'd prefer the influx continue.

Bloody Harris has made some mess of this. Basically told them if you camp in groups in the city we will find you accomodation. **** idiot.

I wasn't going to bother replying as it looks like others covered it pretty well, but I can't resist

1. The tweets made by a relatively unknown Irish minister were more important factors in the increase of non-Ukrainian IPA applications than the outbreak of the Ukraine War;

As has been pointed out to you, O'Gorman not being Macron means nothing - It was an official Gov.ie document. Once the interest in Ireland by our AS friends was piqued, a bit of research would've shown that we have a weak government and a gobsh!te of a justice minister c/w an extremely low deportation rate.

2. It is not valid to point out that the pressures exerted on systems across Europe by the Ukraine War would reasonably have had an effect on the number of non-Ukrainian IPA applicants who may have hoped to capitalise from the relative disarray in order to get their foot in the door in places like Ireland. The tweets were a more important factor than this.

Yeah, there was no other reason to try to get to the little rock on the west of the continent (see comment above)

3. The fact that other countries also experienced elevated numbers of post-Covid non-Ukrainian IPA applications is less relevant to the point than these tweets and therefore more weight should be put on the tweets than any wider context as to the experience of similar nearby countries in Europe.

There was a demand to embark on their 'better life' journeys building up because of covid restrictions - when these restrictions ended, it exploded, coinciding (with the war in UA)

I reiterate - End of covid restrictions coincided with the outbreak of the war - you decide to blame the war, I and others blame the year (of no travel) that the AS's had to research and to prepare for their journeys and yes, those tweets would have had a influence on these preparations.

I'll end with this -

Your brilliant theory of the increase in asylum seekers in Ireland and Europe being down to the war sounds like a perfect excuse for our Govt to use as they flail about in a heap desperately trying to control the narrative/spin/PR, but they haven't used this excuse - Why is that? (rhetorical)

I'll be leaving it there as I'm not wasting anymore time talking to someone that I think is in the 'There are none so blind…' camp

If Irish people living at home really want a modular home, why don't they just buy one? For example, this two bed modular home is only €19,000. Surely that isn't out the financial reach of Irish people living at home?

and put it where?

That’s one out of touch comment.

but I’ll humor you, a site for planning generally had to be 0.5 acres, sewerage will cost at least 5000, electric 4000, water 2000. That’s assuming you get planning permission(which you won’t). So your empty(and likely not wired, plumbed, insulated or finished) shed becomes 30k+ without a site fairly fast.

Why didn’t the government opt for these, if they are good enough, in your opinion?

Perhaps read the web page - the shed doesn’t even come with gutters…

assuming they live 7km as the crow flies(or whatever arbitrary distance the county council has set) from their family home and all the other things that they need to qualify for “local needs” yeah?

Also as pointed out to you they won’t get planning permission for a log cabin.

The residents of Ballyogan are protesting. People from the canal area were sent there, but residents blocked the entrance. The coaches have since moved on, don't know where to.

you won’t get planning permission, so you won’t get a mortgage. A bank also won’t give a mortgage on something that will rot into the ground in 10 years.

I’ll be frank - assuming your not intentionally being obtuse your suggestion is stupid.

The government units are steel framed modular homes by the way - not Garden sheds without guttering or flooring.

I don't know enough about the planning permission requirements but the advertisement suggests it would be possible. It also states

Level site, mains water, ESB and Broadband close at hand

So I got the impression it was viable for building a home/living on. I don't know mich about the level of modular homes, but I know the government are building one's with a life of about 60 years but I don't know the cost of them either.

It's a discussion forum, people were mentioning why Gardai and nurses aren't being offered modular homes. I was simply enquiring why they'd not be able to source them. But if people think tje government should provide modular homes for all gardai and nurses that's also a discussion for another thread too.

Simon looking very foolish again. Just like the housing report leaked earlier, FFG are making it up as they go along. All reactionary panic.

It’s hilarious to watch them fumble about trying to see will the same solution work this time when there’s a billion people who’d come here given the chance. Anything bar admit the crux of the problem and accept what it’ll take to try to solve it.

ah here - I’ve seen some crackers on this thread but this has to be one of the all time greats.

Words fail me.

Well done - we need some sort of Darwin Award for this sort of stuff.