Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

And they should have been deported also… I'm pretty sure anyone here who's stance is tighter illegal immigration controls would have no problem with that, and I am almost certain our government would be taking back anyone deported.

It really irritates me no end that there was no political will to provide modular homes for our own homeless people of which there are many stuck at home with mammy and daddy. It wasn't even proposed as a solution.

Yet the same people's taxes are being used to do the same for people who have arrived from outside the state.

There are many people that wouldn't turn their nose up at one as it would give them independence. It's absolutely shameful carry on.

It's already been explained several times why a tweet from an Irish government official might have had a lot of reach. I don't think anyone said 'singlehandedly'

Honestly, it's not surprising. There is quite a large % of lefties and woke far left that seems to have a real disdain for anything native Irish or native Irish people. They love to throw around derogatory statements about young Irish people, how most are "scrotes" and are the fault of everything, but the "foregnners" can do no wrong and are never at fault for anything. They chomp at the bit to promote news where native Irish are shown in a bad light.

There were literally people stating it was the fault of the state for not giving mental health services to the guy that stabbed that child and to leave him be the "poor man".

It's not exclusive to Ireland, this strange phenomenon is happening in most Western countries with those woke lefties.

Thats irrelevant to the argument about his tweets in multiple languages. As I said it has been explained several times about algorithms and how Twitter works. I'm sure you've also heard how the internet never forgets

You can't compare 'plenty of illegal Irish in the US as well' to the situation we have here. I knew plenty who stayed in the US illegally in the 80's and 90's. Yes, they were breaking the law, I dont deny that. But they stayed with aunty Mary or cousin Tom until they got set up, worked hard to pay their way, paid for their own housing, food, etc. Most I know eventually returned or gained legal status. Hardly anyone migrates illegally to the US anymore. Work in Ireland in a big factor, but its much harder now to life a comfortable life in the US as an illegal. After 9/11, rules around social security numbers, banking, driving licsence, work contracts, housing leases, healthcare, etc tightened up to make it very difficult to obtain the above with a greencard. Plus ICE deporations became the norm if you were stopped say for a minor traffic violation or a fight in a bar. Before then, cops tended to turn blind eye to illegal Irish.

Apparently each modular home costs 400k, that will be some bill in Clonmel

You've just accepted that there will never be political will to help Irish people and I think that's the point. Why is there zero political to help Irish people but billions to spend on refugees? Can you not see how thats incredibly frustrating

We are told our nurses and gards can’t afford rent in Dublin, with some emigrating cause of the cost.

Why wasn’t modular homes offered as a solution for these people?

What a kick in the teeth to the Irish working people.

Just another day in Treasure Ireland. We deserve everything we get. Irish Taxpayer - The Worlds Atm.

It feels like we are slowly moving back to the more realistic appraisal of the effect of these tweets. Appreciate a different poster said it but the original conversation here was partially an assertion that the tweets were a major factor in the spike and that the Ukraine War was actually a less relevant factor than the tweets.

If we are now saying that the tweets might have had the effect of appearing here and there and might have formed part of some people’s reasoning to venture to Ireland (even though I’d imagine it was in conjunction with other things), then I could take that as a reasonable argument. It’s another thing entirely to say that but for these tweets we would not have seen a spike.

It's the principle though Strazdas. Even if not a single soul had seen O'Gorman's tweets, the very fact that a government minister thought nothing of putting that kind of message out there shows the total lack of empathy that he (and whoever else signed it off) has for Irish families who have no home of their own. They have nothing but contempt for their own citizens.

It's almost as if addressing pull factors that are within our control works but the poster you're replying to is insistent that we should ignore pull factors and concentrate on push factors that are outside of our control. You'd be forgiven for thinking that they'd prefer the influx continue.

Bloody Harris has made some mess of this. Basically told them if you camp in groups in the city we will find you accomodation. **** idiot.

I wasn't going to bother replying as it looks like others covered it pretty well, but I can't resist

1. The tweets made by a relatively unknown Irish minister were more important factors in the increase of non-Ukrainian IPA applications than the outbreak of the Ukraine War;

As has been pointed out to you, O'Gorman not being Macron means nothing - It was an official Gov.ie document. Once the interest in Ireland by our AS friends was piqued, a bit of research would've shown that we have a weak government and a gobsh!te of a justice minister c/w an extremely low deportation rate.

2. It is not valid to point out that the pressures exerted on systems across Europe by the Ukraine War would reasonably have had an effect on the number of non-Ukrainian IPA applicants who may have hoped to capitalise from the relative disarray in order to get their foot in the door in places like Ireland. The tweets were a more important factor than this.

Yeah, there was no other reason to try to get to the little rock on the west of the continent (see comment above)

3. The fact that other countries also experienced elevated numbers of post-Covid non-Ukrainian IPA applications is less relevant to the point than these tweets and therefore more weight should be put on the tweets than any wider context as to the experience of similar nearby countries in Europe.

There was a demand to embark on their 'better life' journeys building up because of covid restrictions - when these restrictions ended, it exploded, coinciding (with the war in UA)

I reiterate - End of covid restrictions coincided with the outbreak of the war - you decide to blame the war, I and others blame the year (of no travel) that the AS's had to research and to prepare for their journeys and yes, those tweets would have had a influence on these preparations.

I'll end with this -

Your brilliant theory of the increase in asylum seekers in Ireland and Europe being down to the war sounds like a perfect excuse for our Govt to use as they flail about in a heap desperately trying to control the narrative/spin/PR, but they haven't used this excuse - Why is that? (rhetorical)

I'll be leaving it there as I'm not wasting anymore time talking to someone that I think is in the 'There are none so blind…' camp