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Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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    #36272
    ToweringPerformance
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167513#Comment_122167513

    Good.



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    #36273
    Chanelle 1988
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭Chanelle 1988


    All this outrage, the murder of innocence ! I don't recall reading any posts on October 8th condemning the barbaric Hamas attack , albeit being headline news for 24hrs ! Whatever you're opinion on the Balfour declaration , the Israelis were willing to acknowledge a Palestinian state but their neighbours desire to "wipe them off the face of the earth" in three wars says it all ! From the river too the sea , look at what that ideology has inflicted on the children & women of Palestine ! While Hamas leadership live like royalty in Qatar ! Israel was never the aggressor and unlike Hamas or Hizbollah the IDF never murdered any of our defence forces , RIP Pte Sean Rooney



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    #36274
    ujjjjjjjjj
    Registered Users Posts: 922 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167587#Comment_122167587

    It is utterly staggering , am at a loss for words at the stupidity of Harris and the Irish Government. This is handing a propaganda coup to Hamas, nothing else and I just can't understand anything about it. Embarrassing, naive, stupid and dangerous.



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    #36275
    Augme
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167587#Comment_122167587

    A better way to look at it is as a punishment for Isrsel carrying out genocide on Palestinian people. Israel aren't going to stop unless drastic action is taken to stop them.



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    #36276
    ToweringPerformance
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167706#Comment_122167706

    One of the only decisions FG have gotten correct in 12 years of government



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    #36277
    beggars_bush
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    Interesting development by the Irish government.

    Didn't think they'd go solo on this

    Could face a backlash to this in America



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    #36278
    Chanelle 1988
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭Chanelle 1988


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167706#Comment_122167706

    Perhaps , but you've got to give the Palestinians a reason to engage , if statehood wasn't an option then what's the point ! Look at Northern Ireland , if a United Ireland wasn't an option would the Republic have changed our constitution and would Mcguinness & Paisley become known as the chuckle brothers ! Given the 70s & 80s would anyone have envisaged them becoming "brothers " in any sense of the word !



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    #36279
    scottser
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167587#Comment_122167587

    You know the Hamas leaders are subject to the same request for arrest warrants as Netenbastard and Galant? Its hardly a validation for Hamas, let alone a 'victory'.



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    #36280
    ujjjjjjjjj
    Registered Users Posts: 922 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167734#Comment_122167734

    Could not disagree more. This is one if not the most naive and stupid pieces of foreign diplomacy the Irish Government has ever undertaken. Genuinely shocked by the naivety of this stunt.



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    #36281
    Chanelle 1988
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭Chanelle 1988


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167757#Comment_122167757

    It's a start , so do they continue with the status quo ? Look at how that's gone since 1912 !



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    #36282
    ujjjjjjjjj
    Registered Users Posts: 922 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167755#Comment_122167755

    This has nothing to do with the North or anything we have ever done on this island, perhaps in Harris's tiny little mind it does who the f**k knows what is going on in there. He is simply giving succour and propaganda support to Hamas and the timing is insane. I have a low opinion of Harris anyway but to see Ryan and Martin go along with this is mind blowing.



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    #36283
    scottser
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167757#Comment_122167757

    If you have any faith in international law, it's the only correct response. Anything else is cheering on genocide and we should call it out without fear of recrimination.

    When all this washes out, the US, UK and German public are going to be mortified at what they enabled, encouraged and indeed, profited from financially.



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    #36284
    BringBackMick
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167756#Comment_122167756

    Would Ireland be about to recognise Palestine if Hamas/Iran had not attacked Israel on October 7th?


    Hamas/Iran knew exactly what Israel would do after an attack of that level especially with such an extreme right wing government in place - the whole point was to splinter the west and reinforce support in the Arab world and beyond


    Ireland just appear blinkered by the awful scenes in Gaza , getting easily wound up by the Netanyahu scumbag govt and are showing no nuance in their foreign policy


    we should be working back channels to try and get a change in government in Israel by pressuring the US and other close allies


    not handing Hamas/Iran a win due to frustration/ upset and political populism




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    #36285
    Chanelle 1988
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭Chanelle 1988


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167774#Comment_122167774

    I think you're wrong , the conflict in NI was just like the Israeli Arab issue in that you've two ideologies laying claim & willing to kill or die for their birthright !



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    #36286
    Sudden Valley
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    It not like we are going it alone, a few countries appear to be recognising Palestine at the same time. The status quo cant continue in Israel/Palestine no matter how much Israel and the US want it to remain so.

    The idea we could pressure the US or Israel to change the government in Israel is farcical.



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    #36287
    BringBackMick
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    it’s a poorly timed decision and there’s still a few hours for a pull back to discuss a road map to recognition etc etc



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    #36288
    ujjjjjjjjj
    Registered Users Posts: 922 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167781#Comment_122167781

    Ireland have become the useful idiots for Iran and Hamas. Nothing more, nothing less.



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    #36289
    Sudden Valley
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    There is no way they are going to delay the announcement no matter how much the pro Israeli side is disagreeable to it. According to wiki 143 countries have already recognised Palestine so of all the things to get upset about, this seems a strange one.



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    #36290
    Chanelle 1988
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭Chanelle 1988


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167788#Comment_122167788

    Mick Martin is a clown , his smoking ban left him feeling like the almighty ! And where does he get off putting it up to a US president , albeit a not particularly effective one ! But brace for what's coming , but Ireland ,Spain & Sth Africa will never influence the UN , the Veto held by some countries makes it a joke of an organisation much the same as our joker politicians !



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    #36291
    scottser
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167781#Comment_122167781

    A few things to unpack there, but Ireland has always been a believer in, and positive contributor to the UN. That's our backchannel and we support the two state solution and recent calls for ceasefire, which the US vetoed. We condemned IDF murders of UNRWA and UN staff. If we are to influence anyone, our major strength is our respect for the ICC and the institutions of international law in the cause of peace. We're showing real leadership here and I'm impressed with our government because they usually self interested jockstains.

    As for the other stuff prior to Oct 7th, we all know this war didn't start on that date. But I fully agree that Hamas anticipated Israels reaction, and Israel is playing into their hands daily. The analogy I've been drawing is the Algerian wars and deGaulle's hysterically brutal response vs the FLN, which brought down the fourth Republic.



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    #36292
    Sudden Valley
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    Going after Michael Martin for the smoking ban, really? Amazing how easy it is to rile up supporters of Israel. The 144th country to recognise Palestine and Israel potentially being called out by the ICC I guess makes this a bad day.



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    #36293
    dublin49
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    wow,there is very likely to be a refugee outflow from Gaza in the future and our Government in the midst of a current immigration/housing crisis puts its hand up as a friendly destination,Roderick's message part 2.



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    #36294
    ujjjjjjjjj
    Registered Users Posts: 922 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167786#Comment_122167786

    This isn't an Arab / Israeli thing and never has been. It is an attempt by Iran and associated Islamic HHH terrorist groups to destabilise Israel and the West no doubt with plenty of advice and support and prompting from Putin who profits while we are all distracted. Israel had to respond to the attacks on 7th October and they knew that and in Hamas land and in Iran and Moscow they all sit back and get out the popcorn and watch the west eat itself alive. South Africa are now closely aligning with Putin (recently joint military exercises for example) and their ICC nonsense is again no doubt being supported in Moscow and is contributing to this lunacy from the ICC.

    Tha naivety of people and the lack of awareness of what is actually going on here is hard to fathom. Harris and the broader Irish political establishment really should stick to filling in potholes and cycle lanes. They just don't have the ability to cope with this.



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    #36295
    Chanelle 1988
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭Chanelle 1988


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167808#Comment_122167808

    Not a lot to unpack ! Israel was being acknowledged by the Saudis & Egypt , only Iranian backed terrorism couldn't allow that to progress , but that's Shia v Sunni



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    #36296
    scottser
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167819#Comment_122167819

    You're essentially arguing that the genocide in Gaza should be ignored by the institutions charged with prosecuting it on the grounds of geopolitics. If anything, we should be more supportive of the ICC that they be given the teeth to prosecute both Hamas and the Israeli government.



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    #36297
    Chanelle 1988
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭Chanelle 1988


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167819#Comment_122167819

    Totally agree with you on Iranian interference ! I made that point earlier , Sunni v Shia ! I disagree with you're premise that it's not a Arab Israeli conflict , long before Putin they fought 3 wars , Israel was originally a fraction of the size it is now , they could have annexed east Jerusalem in 48 but chose not too also i think boards contributors are smarter than you give them credit for , youre right on our unelected Taoiseach , absolutely no business making unilateral decisions on behalf of the Irish people !/



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    #36298
    ujjjjjjjjj
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167837#Comment_122167837

    It isn't genocide, its a war. A horrible messy conflict which is going to kill and has killed thousands started by Hamas with Iranian support and no doubt Russian interference and encouragement. Iran, Russia and Islamic terrorism benefits from this mess and this is big boy terrorism and war mongering at play. If you want to believe its a genocide fire ahead, nothing I am going to say will change your mind but doing anything which gives succour and support to Hamas and the other H's and Iran and onto Russia and Putin is nothing more than total and utter stupidity. That is what Harris and the two other muppets are doing tomorrow.



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    #36299
    ujjjjjjjjj
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167847#Comment_122167847

    Yes absolutely Iran did not like or want to allow improving relationships between Israel and Saudi etc. But don't expect Harris to even begin to understand the Shia Sunni conflict far too nuanced for him. Yes of course there is an ongoing Arab / Israeli conflict but this isn't the issue at hand here. The root cause of this is Iran and Russian meddling and support not the long running and historical Arab / Israeli issue. I suppose this is fundamentally why so many people have gone down the rabbit hole. The attack on 7th October and hostage taking was so extreme they knew Israel would have to react. Putin is very closely aligning to and supporting Iran and this isn't without a price and Iran due to international isolation is very happy to embrace Putin. Iran, Islamic terror groups (HHH etc) and Russia are all gaining here as the West splits and argues. Ask yourself is it any surprise right now as the west is so distracted that Russia has over 500,000 troops inside Ukraine and is pushing forward.



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    #36300
    scottser
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167849#Comment_122167849

    When you deliberately kill 40,000 civilians, starve a million people, deny them aid, medicine, shelter, then to bomb aid trucks and murder aid workers?

    It's a genocide. If you're convinced it's not then why wouldn't you let the charge be prosecuted in court?



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    #36301
    ujjjjjjjjj
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167866#Comment_122167866

    Your figures are based on what, Hamas press releases ?? Seriously ?? How many of the supposed 40,000 are Hamas combatants? How many aid trucks and food supply trucks have been seized and taken by Hamas ? Israel has allowed vast quantites of aid into Gaza after inspection. What are Israel supposed to do with Hamas rocket launchers being used from within civilian areas in Gaza, just leave them alone or destroy them ? The cause is Hamas firing and fighting from within densely populated civilian areas. Aid truck bombings were accidents as has happened in every war. That horrible phrase 'friendly fire' and the fog of war will cause mistakes. War is hell its chaos, it horrendous and it is to be deplored but this isn't genocide. The holocaust or Rwanda or Cambodia was genocide. This is a war in a densely populated civilian area which is going to kill and maime many more people until Hamas stop fighting and release all the hostages. Are the IDF and Israel angels, hell no but in war no one is. I have studied and read about endless conflicts and wars and nothing that is going on here is vaguely genocidal or nefarious, it's war and its deeply unpleasant.



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