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Who’s bringing the horse - no - EV to France?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭browne_rob5


    I noticed the Tesla chargers in Rennes Alma are now open to non Tesla's also so 14 fast chargers in total now. Will stop here on the way down too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭Rusky rusky


    I used a good 13A adapter. Tesla schuko adapter is sausy money compared to a standard adapter. It didn't heat up when charging. I figured charging at lidl on a 60kW DC charger for smth like 25c/kWh using chargemap card was easier than trying to figure out how much do i owe for electricity to the owners of the rental:)

    PS I see that lidl prices have gone up since last September. Up to 43c now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,527 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Ha, that's funny because I asked them a couple of years ago and they said it should be fine (after I said it's the same as an electric kettle)

    They've obviously cropped on since then, too many EV drivers getting free electricity 😂

    In fairness, I could see the concern with running a granny lead overnight through some Dealz quality travel adapter which is just meant for charging phones

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,527 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I might not need any DC charging since I'm within range of the campsite and they have AC charging onsite

    There's a Lidl on the way in Dol-de-Bretagne which has a HPC so I might top up while stocking up on food and wine

    I might not bother bringing the granny lead, finding a quality adapter doesn't seem worth the expense. Plus France really went all in on AC chargers, so it looks like I'm spoiled for choice

    Hopefully I'm not jinxing it 😅

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,866 ✭✭✭✭fits


    the charger on our small site was blown in a thunderstorm last year. Still never considered granny charger. Plenty of options even in middle of nowhere!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,733 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Sounds like you're going to the same spot we went to last year (and are going back this august). Domain des ormes?

    That lidl in dol de bretagne is literally 10 mins from the site if so, and it can be busy enough to get the DC charger. They didnt have the AC chargers at the campsite last year so I only had the DC there but it was fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,527 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Yep, same place

    Looks like they've two banks of 27kW AC chargers now, from some company called E-flux

    They seem to work with Chargemap and Plugsurfing, so we'll see how it goes. Prices are a bit steep, 47c/kWh 😭

    I remember a few years ago I contacted the resort directly and they said they had a charger. I think it's supposed to be for their own cars but they let guests use it if it was free

    I guess it got too popular so they had to get some public chargers

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost





  • Just one point on use of 'Granny cables', and it probably applies anywhere, but just bear in mind that if you're on the continent, older wiring often has almost the same sockets as modern wiring, but it can be limited to <10amps and may not be earthed. You'll typically only ever encounter this in old buildings, but you can still run into it in ancient Gîtes and so on.

    I'm just aware of one family who managed to blow the fuses in an old house and had all sorts of chaos trying to find replacements on a Sunday…

    The vast majority of wiring is modern, but some older houses can be ticking away with 1940s wiring and fuses rather than breakers.

    Modern continental plugs/sockets are this the types below (except Denmark, Italy and Switzerland). There are two variants - one is French/Belgian origin and also used in Poland and a few places and the other, far more common version in most countries, is German (Siemens origin) known as 'Schuko'

    Both are rated at 16amps.

    Modern French sockets will handle up to 16 amps without any issues. They're more capable of EV charging than Irish 3-pin plugs.

    There's also a more recent French design that has a flat face, which pushes back in as you insert the plug. These are exactly the same, just it's a more decorative design / doesn't gather dust etc.

    However, if you encounter older type sockets, which are usually flat and have no earth pin / earth clips, these are typically not suitable for 'Granny Charger' use and can just trip out / blow fuses or even overheat quite easily. They're typically indicative of pre 1960s wiring. Much like old Irish wiring, they're often also only protected by a fuse and won't necessarily have had RCDs retrofitted.

    Modern plugs will often fit these old sockets, but they're not safe to use with high sustained loads, and they're usually not earthed

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,733 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    They have multiple staff only chargers as most of the resort cars are Kangoo ZEs. Perfect for that use case! But there are signs in every cabin to not charge your ev, as well as signs in the welcome centre. To be fair, when I used the AC and the oven at the same time the cabin electricity would trip so I guess there's a max of 20a or so available and they don't know that EVs can charge at 6a!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭talla


    Stayed there myself last year, great site and plenty of charging options in the general area. There are the DC chargers in Lidl in Dol de Bretagne as has already been mentioned, they also have 22KW AC there. Combourg also has DC charging if I remember correctly (campsite site probably equal distance between both towns, when exiting site go left for Combourg and right for Dol). There is a V2 Tesla Super Charger site at St. Michel (not open to all EV's), a new V3 Supercharger site has opened in Dinan (open to all EV's) which is probably a 20min drive away, would recommend a couple of hours in Dinan for a visit anyway. If travelling to D-Day sites, Ionity site on the way / return.

    Number one tip, watch out for the speed camera on the road just as you leave the campsite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,733 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Dinan is a lovely visit. We went there and Mont St Michel, both places really require good walking shoes! We also visited the aquarium in St Malo which is well worth a visit , as well as a couple of local markets.

    The EV wasn't an issue with any of them. All large towns and most small towns seemed to have at least AC chargers. The DC chargers were also cheaper there, maybe half to 2/3 the price of over here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭talla


    Looks like a lot of the previous Tesla only sites(mainly V2 sites) have been opened up to non Tesla's now e.g. Mont St. Michel is now open to all CCS vehicles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Smells of desperation, job cuts, 3rd or 4th price drop, FSD in the US cut by 33% and now opening up more sites for the competition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,527 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Not really sure how that's relevant to anyone heading to France, but there's a whole thread dedicated to moaning about Elon if you need to vent 😉

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Your right, just something that popped into my mind when reading about opening up more sites, I am sure there is no need to worry just yet about the empire and the dark lord collapsing.

    no interest in posting about it more, even if I had something against tesla's they seem to be doing more themselves than any hater could possible do.

    Back to your planning and enjoy your holidays.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,527 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    For anyone ordering the Crit Air sticker for driving around urban areas, I found yesterday that the payment screen doesn't seem to work on mobile browsers

    It worked fine on desktop today (still failed on mobile)

    They should issue a temp vignette via email in case the sticker doesn't arrive on time

    There's only a few areas that require one, Paris being the main one. However given they cost less than €5 it seems handy to get one

    Also they seem to be rolling them out more and more, with different rules per area, so no harm to be prepared

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    I was reading through the requirements and was amused by the breathalyser law in France. Halfords have single use ones so I'll pick up a pack before going

    There is no "breathalyser law" in France any more. Our government realised it was a stupid idea and scrapped it several years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,527 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Yeah I found that out after buying the test kit 🤦🏻‍♂️

    Ah well, I'll have fun checking how many glasses of wine it takes to go over the limit 😂

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,733 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    What happens if you don't have one?

    We're going in late July this year and may be going to Paris on a day trip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 943 ✭✭✭3d4life


    Hi CR, sorry to be a bit OT, was wondering what "local" ( i.e. in all of France but not EU wide ) regs there are at present for unexceptional ( i.e. not super big or super small ) electric cars



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,527 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    There's some good info here

    https://www.france.fr/en/article/crit-air-anti-pollution-vehicle-sticker/

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/law-change-for-uk-drivers-in-french-cities/

    It's only applicable at certain times Mon-Fri in Paris, weekends seem to be okay

    Other areas seem to make up their own rules, so it's probably best to just always have the sticker

    If you don't have one you can get an on the spot fine of €135

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Depending on the rules in force on the day (and the rules can be applied/changed on specific days due to local weather/pollution conditions), either you're simply not allowed into the relevant area, or - if you've got in undetected - you may be fined if someone spots the vehicle and can be bothered notifying the authorities.

    All visitors be advised: the list of towns/cities applying Crit'Air restrictions is growing, with another dozen or more to be added to the current thirty-odd at the end of this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Not entirely sure what you mean by that, but I'm not really in a position to say as my lifestyle and driving habits are incompatible with EV use, so I'm not in tune with the subtlies of FR vs EU-wide regs. I haven't heard of anything that's got the peasants revolting, though, so probably nothing important!

    Something that may be of relevance, however, is parking - specifically "event" parking where you'll be directed to a convenient field, which is the traditional local custom. France has had an enormous amount of rain over the last nine months, to the extent that even our farmers are having trouble getting their tractors into and out of the fields. I would be very wary of taking a heavy EV into a "festival parking" area unless you know where your towing points are. The same goes for parking on grassy verges - they are really, really, really unstable at the moment (ask our local bin lorry driver … )



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,527 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    The only one I know if is that Paris is charging large SUVs a premium for parking

    I believe E-scooters are also banned on Paris public transport, and possibly some other cities

    Since an unexeptional EV doesn't fit into either of those, then the only restriction is the Crit Air mentioned above

    Like Ireland, some places give free parking when you're charging. It's at the discretion of the landowner or local government, so best to check ahead

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,527 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    So, currently in France with the ID.4

    I have to say the lack of drama is almost disappointing. We went to the place, plugged in the car to an AC charger and 3 hours later the car was charged

    I was driving under the limit but that was mostly due to nerves and caution than any need to reduce consumption

    I did have some bad luck with the chargers, there seems to be a flaky one which charges at 4kW only and I managed to get it on the first try. Tried the one beside it and got 11kW all the way

    Spent €12.56 for 27kWh, which was a rip off but that's public charging for you

    Probably the biggest headache was that I had to hold off the wine for the 3 hours the car was charging so the misso polished off half a bottle of wine without me 😂

    Maybe if I'd had to use a DC charger things would be more interesting, but there seems to be enough along the main roads that I should be fine even if forced to divert to one

    Anyway, bringing an EV to France, no problem 👍🏻

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,527 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I obviously angered the charging gods with my hubris, the AC chargers were busted this morning, couldn't authenticate on any of them

    Luckily I was far from stuck but rang support to report it as I'd prefer to use them later. Support was no use of course, my request to get an engineer out fell on deaf ears.

    The resort staff weren't much use either, I asked them to reboot the chargers and they looked like I'd asked them to fly a rocket to the moon

    Anyway, somehow the chargers magically started working again later so I'm filling the battery now to 100%

    It'd be nice if the resort staff had a way to override the charger and start it manually even without an internet connection. They could sort out the billing later as an expense

    I suppose that would be too intelligent though...

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,264 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    eh, nah.You should pack a genny for those eventualities. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭denismc


    Whereabouts are you?

    Heading to Carnac in July, Cork to Roscoff, there seems to plenty of DC chargers nearby including Tesla and Ionity but AC seems to be limited enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,527 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Domaine des Ormes near Dol de Bretagne

    They've got 10 AC chargers on site, however 4 of them seem to be permanently broken

    The other 6 are a lot more reliable usually, yesterday was the first time they let me down

    There's a DC charger in Dol de Bretagne if I'm stuck, and Ionity and Tesla chargers along the main road if needed

    I actually found AC chargers to be more common here than Ireland, although I think a lot of them are older models. A bunch got installed when the Zoe was cutting edge and fast AC seemed to be the way to go

    Chargemap is pretty useful for finding them in my experience, seems better maintained then Plugshare here

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭Heroditas


    Carnac isn't great. We were there last year. If memory serves, there were two AC chargers near the town square and two on the seafront (which I used)

    I think there might be a few in the Super U now though



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭McHonda


    We are in Ile de re near la Rochelle now after making the trek from roscoff, absolutely no hassle. Made two ionity stops on the way in Auray (nice place to stop anyway) and vendee. A tip if it hasn't been mentioned already is to sign up for ionity passport before you go for better rates



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 cormacp


    Great info on this thread, thanks all for posting.

    I'm travelling to Cherbourg (with 2 young kids) next week in a Citroen e-Berlingo, driving to Domaine des Ormes in Dol-de-Bretagne, and I'm having a bit of trouble finding out exactly how we should pay for EV charging across the various networks/mobile apps.

    Essentially, we need Combo/CCS charging at 50Kw or above, so it looks like there are plenty of locations when searching on Plugshare or Chargemap. However, I don't have a physical Chargemap Pass card, and I'm not clear on how widespread Plugshare's 'pay with plugshare' feature is. I've also signed up to an Izivia ('Grand Lyon' subscription), but I also won't have a physical card for their system in time for the trip. It's not clear to me wether payment using the Izivia app is possible.

    I'm also signed up to Ionity's app, but the number of charge locations seems a little thinly-spread.

    If anyone has first-hand info on how I should go about payment for the above services (or any other approach I might be missing), it'd be a massive help



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,866 ✭✭✭✭fits


    the chargepoint app with orange symbol worked well for us last year. It worked on everything we tried I think. You can also pay directly by credit card on many.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,972 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Download the Tesla app and set up an account…

    These are the locations of Superchargers that are open to non Tesla cars (so any CCS capable car can charge at these sites)

    Price wise you are looking at between €0.45 - €0.50/kWh, which is about as reasonable as it gets…

    This one is 25 minutes from your camp site

    You actually don't even need the Tesla app as it can be done on their website, but just handier to have the app…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,592 ✭✭✭✭Dont be at yourself


    Will be my third time taking the EV to France — also heading to Domaine Des Ormes via Cherbourg next week.

    My experience has been generally stress-free; I have a Chargemap card but generally have paid via QR codes on chargers while shopping at hypermarche etc. Infrastructure is generally a lot better than here in my experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 cormacp


    Amazing info @AndyBoBandy , massive thanks. Those Tesla chargers will easily sort our needs, and we'll have Ionity/Izivia/Plugshare as a fallback. Really appreciate you taking the time to find a spot near our campsite!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 cormacp


    Ah excellent, I wasn't aware that pay-by-QR is an option for some chargers. That's good to know



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭denismc


    Does anyone have any alternatives to AA for European break down cover?

    My dealings with AA recently have been abysmal, I applied for the breakdown cover and my card was charged but I received no confirmation.

    I tried emailing and phoning but their customer service seems to terrible at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,866 ✭✭✭✭fits


    some new cars come with European breakdown cover. Might be something to check if applicable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,527 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Just back from there myself with the ID.4, mostly a seamless experience

    The AC chargers in Domaine Des Ormes are operated by a network called E-Flux, you can download their app or use the QR code on the charger to pay

    The ones over by the dome are generally more reliable, there's a group of 6 there. The 4 over by the clubhouse seems very flaky

    Some of the chargers will occasionally slow to 3kW. Seems to be an issue with the two furthest to the right although it comes and goes. They should go up to 27kW

    I'd recommend topping up after you've unpacked, the chargers do seem to have some signal issues at times. I had no charger for half a day, but they were working again in the afternoon

    There's also a 150kW unit in the Lidl in Dol de Bretagne if needed, it's literally on the way to the campsite

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,733 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Domaine des ormes is a great spot. They now have 10 chargers on site (when I went last year they had none). The local lidl is 10 mins away and there's a 150kW as well as multiple AC chargers there. I used chargepoint and that was accepted at lidl. I also have plugsurfing RFID. It's a good backup to have because it always works but it's usually very expensive.

    I drove from the ferry at cherbourg and charged at mont st michel supercharger on the way down. It's a supercharger in the corner of a hotel carpark, was very busy when i was there and there were no amenities without traipsing into the hotel.

    With the Tesla app, the Ionity app and chargepoint, as well as whatever QR code is needed for the onsite AC, you'll be perfectly fine. It's a great spot, enjoy the holiday! We're going back at the end of next month!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 Megastreisand


    I have found the Shell Recharge rfid quite handy in France and indeed Hertz gave me a fob version on the 3 occasions that I've hired evs there. It seems to be very widely accepted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,527 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I had Shell Recharge a few months ago and had literally 0% success getting to work on the Ionity chargers here

    I decided not to chance it over in France, although I suspect it's more reliable over there

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭marketty


    For anyone travelling to Le Littoral, there are 2 X AC chargers on site at a very reasonable 22c/kWh (via chargemap so presumably even cheaper if you pay izivia direct). No overstay fee which is a blessing and a curse, charger could end up blocked for the day, but it meant I could plug in last night at 2330 for a 6hr charge and unplug at 0700 (I know, I'm the worst). AND they are installing 4 more chargers today, will be interesting to see if they maintain the same price!

    There's no shortage of CCS charging on the way down, recommend Ionity and Tesla subscriptions and if you are coming via Rennes there's a Tesla supercharger stop at Parc de Bréquigny, park is nice with a playground and over the road is a big shopping centre, Rennes Alma.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭Heroditas


    I might try that Tesla charging station if the chargers are all full at the Novotel this time around



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    No worthwhile alternative. Any competitors that existed seem to have left the Irish market since Covid. AA cover is also very expensive for what it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,527 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    What car have you got? If it includes breakdown cover it might cover Europe as well

    I was looking at AA and I found that VW ID cars have European roadside assistance

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭denismc


    I have a Hyundai but it's over 2.5 years old so I'm not sure if it's covered by them anymore.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭marketty


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