The National Party

It's called FG.

I wonder at the total ignorance of the political history of the state from some people, almost as if they never lived in Ireland.

Gives out about issues being brought into the country, uses stupid imported American terms like 'woke lefties'.

Perhaps a bit of introspection is in order?

The woke lefties have been living in and participathing in democratic politics in this country since the days of Jim Larkin. I am certainly not left wing but I accept their genuine commitment to democtratic process and they are for the most part simply decent human beings. The Fascists of The National Party are not that, they are simply filthy racists.

FG and FF are both straight down the middle neo-liberal which is the economic orthodoxy of the right wing. They still lean very heavily on the private sector to provide almost all public infrastructure and services.

The only area where they diverge is that they understand that attacks on the welfare system represent political suicide so it is always generously funded.

I'd suspect it would highlight the kind of propaganda you buy into tbh.

There was no mention of fiscal conservatism in your post.

There was the "hot potato" of immigration though.

Anyway poor fiscal conservatism is on of the main reasons a lot of services are problematic. Sell everything that isn't nailed down and then sell the nails and everything else.

The absolute corrupt inept knob heads who drive the decisions see the cost in everything and value in nothing, which just costs all the more down the line.

The idea that fiscal conservatism is the panacea to Irelands problems is remedial in the extreme given it is the cause of the majority of them.

The social welfare state we have now is not a result of right wing fiscal governance nor even close.

I woudl tend to agree with this. I joked before about a protest vote for the national party. They aren't even running a candidate here (wexford) and if they were I wouldnt vote for them. They are a joke. Ten people in a bingo hall.

I'm not far right. I'm pro choice, pro marriage equality, pro legal immigration, etc. There is a world of difference between my views and those of the national party. Yet on Boards I get labeled as far right because I'm not as far left as the loud minority seem to be. Real life isnt like boards. Boards always has been a age group and tech focused subsection of society and this doesnt represent the public at large. Generally posters here are 35-50, usually male, usually working in tech or equivalent. Given the last sentence, there is not a good cross section of society represented and this is why some issues get drastically different poll results here than in reality.

I'd also suspect you are a fan of the Rwanda plan and the likes of Nigel Farage...

That sounds like a pretty fair description of the national party though. Justin was only celebrating Hitler's birthday last month so if people are happy to vote for him or that party, that's a reflection on them. Are you really annoyed that it's acceptable to call such people Nazis? It's what they are.

We don't have a welfare state, we should be so lucky. Norway is one though.

In a welfare state the welfare of the person is paramount.

Again so many people bleating out WeLfArE sTaTe haven't a scooby what it actually means.

is not a result of right wing fiscal governance nor even close

Of course it is, privatising services and letting the market decide on price and conditions always results invariably in an imbalance.

That imbalance has to be back filled someway to try and at least address parity.

Now our governance particularly in the last 30 years pretends to have oversite by appointing "independent" watch dogs or regulators, they have proven time and time again to be beyond useless.

So many people who yearn for fiscal conservatism don't actually understand it and equate it with prudent financial planning.

The pair are complete strangers.