What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

You're given the wiki link to project 2025 which contained many facist policies. You're refusal to accept black and white evidence is just trolling (and juvenile) at this stage

"Trump has increasingly used dehumanizing and violent rhetoric against his political enemies."

"Trump has called to bring independent agencies such as the Federal Communications Commission and Federal Trade Commission under direct presidential control."

"Trump promised to order the Justice Department to investigate political rivals and Joe Biden, and fire Attorney Generals who disobeyed him.[98] Trump has called for stripping employment protections for thousands of career civil service employees and replacing them with political loyalists if deemed an 'obstacle to his agenda' within federal agencies"

Imprisoning political rivals, purging anyone who disagrees with him from power. Increasing personal power on the president like a dictator. Inviting violence against minorities.

3 fascist policies taken directly from your own link (it also links project 2025 which was linked here as well which has more).

Also I am not sure why his motivations are that relevant. Fascism for personal gain is still fascism.

OK. So your point is that it is incorrect for anyone to claim he is a fascist and that doing so brings the debate down?

A definition of fascist was provided and the reasoning behind claiming Trump to be one was given. An explanation that you simply ignored.

That you don't see him as a fascist is perfectly fine, but then you seem to be overly concerned about how he is exactly defined rather than looking at his words and actions.

He has long stated how much he admires leaders such as Putin, Xi and others. Doesn't that give you cause for concern over exactly what he wants to do? Doesn't his attempt to steal the election for the democratically elected Biden not give you cause for concern?

He has also just taken a case to the supreme court on the basis that a POTUS should be immune from any and all criminal liability, essentially being above the law. Isn't that a concern?

You don't understand the game, only @concerned_tenant gets to decide what's fascist or not, despite what 3rd party universal definitions are sent to them

Here's some perspective, you think it's a good Idea to give power to the guy who tried to overthrow a democratic election. He's also tried to extort a foreign leader to get dirt on his enemies. In a normal democracy, he'd be facing prison time.

Honestly, I don't think you know what a fascist is, whatever about not engaging with the evidence you've already received.

Here's Umberto Echo's 14 common features of fascism

The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”

Aiming for the Christian conservative vote. Removing a women's right to choose.

The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”

"Inject bleach to cure COVID". Dismantle the pandemic preparation unit.

The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”

It's how he speaks, isn't it? "I like him cos he speaks his mind" is what we hear a lot from his supporters (even when he reverses course mere hours later.

Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”

Remember this?

Trump Says Haley Donors Will Be ‘Barred From the MAGA Camp’

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/25/us/politics/trump-haley-donors-maga-blacklist.html

Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”

Uh huh. "They send us their rapists, drug dealers etc"

Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”

Make America Great AGAIN. Was America ever great for those on the lower rungs? With darker skin? The use of the word AGAIN states that it is as good for some people. They want those people.

The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”

Uh huh. The victim complex of all these court cases being a democrat plot. It's worth remembering that Trump has been named in over 4,000 court cases in his life. And that is not because that's how business works. There are many other property magnates that haven't been involved in that money.

The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”

Biden is an old fool with dementia who can barely stand, but also behind everything that's affecting Trump, from court cases, to weaponising the FBI and the judicial system.

Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”

Uh huh. We have just seen one trump acolyte try to remove the speaker of the house for daring to cooperate with the Dems

Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”

Trump disparaged U.S. military casualties as ‘losers,’ ‘suckers,’ report says

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-disparaged-u-s-military-casualties-as-losers-suckers-report-says

Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”

Lol. He couldn't have hit this more on the nose if he tried.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Garden_of_American_Heroes

Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”

So, not just his stupid "military parade". I think we can throw in his "grab em by the pussy, 'locker room talk'" And now he's talking about controlling contraceptives.

Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”

Remember how republicans used to be about, "facts don't care about your feelings"? But now when presented with evidence they don't like, they seem to veer towards, "I know what it says, I just don't/can't believe it".

Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning

I mean if you or any other Trump supporter does read this, I'm sure your first thought will be something along the lines of, "fake news".

Trump deleted the "Reich" promotional video

That sums up the last couple of pages.

Hang on, I've just given you 14 instances of Trump and his ilk exhibiting ACTUAL fascist behaviour, and all you can say is,

"People take definitions of fascism and then cherry-pick comments from Trump that in some wishy-washy, pseudo-meaningful, distorted way, are supposed to meet the terms of the definition. It's dishonest, and knowingly so."

I'm sorry, but that just does not fly. I'm not "Cherry picking comments from Trump" I am showing you (and any other lurker supporters) examples of his fascistic behaviour.

Why don't you give everybody here your definition of what a fascist is? A link to an article is fine. But I do not believe that you actually know what a fascist is, given what I have read so far.

I missed them and glad I did.

I honestly would like some rational debate on the pros and cons of Trump/trumpism and time after time all I ever see is posters being delusional or disingenuous.