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This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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    #11672
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Yeah, MotorCheck identifies it as a Volkswagen Golf E1F 5DR 85 Auto, 2017.

    That's the 85kW motor which was replaced by the 100kW motor in the 2017 model.

    Edit: The seller has allowed the ad to be populated by the later model's specs. Sneaky.



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    #11673
    joe1303l
    Registered Users Posts: 2,276 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122171693#Comment_122171693

    It’s possible the seller is a victim of DD automated model spec listing. It seems to be a common complaint. That said, the seller could have easily listed the battery size within the text description if they wanted to be transparent….



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    #11674
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 65,347 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Good searching lads! Thanks for confirming it's the smaller battery.

    Even with the smaller battery it would make a nice second family car / commuting car

    If you could get it nearer €9k than €10k it would be a total bargain for a car like that for the year. Had a look earlier and the cheapest Ioniqs (also 2017) are now back up to €12k-13k asking on DoneDeal.



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    #11675
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122171725#Comment_122171725

    They actually listed it as a Golf, not an e-Golf, but somehow managed to find the spec for a later model than theirs. Possibly an error, but you'd think they'd check and correct it as you say.



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    #11676
    Bradley Short Headgear
    Posts: 0 ✭ Bradley Short Headgear


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122171911#Comment_122171911

    so now you expect €2k /20% off the asking price of the already cheapest version of that car for sale. Sometimes I wonder what planet you are on with your wild posts



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    #11677
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 65,347 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122172081#Comment_122172081

    Perhaps you don't try or do not have the negotiation skills it takes to get good deals. Or the timing or the readiness to jump on a deal. I can assure you I often get deals much better than 20% off what is already the cheapest asking price of an item. But you are free to not believe me of course.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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    #11678
    User1998
    Registered Users Posts: 6,558 ✭✭✭User1998


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122172091#Comment_122172091

    Me too, I’ve definitely gotten 33%+ off on a few occasions. I do think tho that in this case a big discount might be harder to achieve because it seems to be a part time trader who is selling it so they will want to maximise profit. And they’ve already taken €1k off the asking price. Always worth a try tho.



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    #11679
    Bradley Short Headgear
    Posts: 0 ✭ Bradley Short Headgear


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122172091#Comment_122172091

    of course it’s possible to get a healthy discount on SOME sales. The biggest factor is the sellers circumstances. A part time trader selling a car for an already competitive price and haven already knocked €1k off the asking is not going to knock another €2k off it like you claim. Thats dream land stuff.

    Look we know you got a few nice deals over the years (we all know because you tell us about every one of them at least once a week) but it’s hot air for you to keep claiming that every car for sale on the internet has an automatic 20% wiggle room, it’s your standard to reply to every ad that is posted on here.



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    #11680
    MojoMaker
    Registered Users Posts: 4,675 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Let's not over-egg the "negotiation skills" aspect either. A lot of it is down to simply taking advantage of a seller's situation and/or being a bully.



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    #11681
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 65,347 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122172699#Comment_122172699

    Being a bully? I assure you I am always very friendly and polite. There is no gun against the seller's head, the deal is 100% voluntary on both sides. Of course in many of the best deals, the seller really wants or needs the money, so makes a large concession on price. Taking advantage? LOL. Welcome to the real world.

    I agree though with the above posters that massive discounts resulting in an agreed price clearly way below market value are pretty much impossible from dealers or garages and very unlikely from part time traders. I also never said I would be able to get that car for €9k or €10k. Or would even expect to get it. Re-read my posts. But I would most certainly try it

    You gotta be realistic as a seller sometimes. The cash in front of you can sometimes be likely the best you would get for some time. I recently sold an item on adverts for about 70% under my asking price, which I had dropped already and even before I did that, it was already cheaper than you could get the item on eBay anywhere in the world



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    #11682
    allinthehead
    Registered Users Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122172990#Comment_122172990

    Ffs, it really is incredible how people on here twist words and the intent behind those words to have dig. It was very clear from what you were saying what you meant. Ignore it.

    ☀️



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    #11683
    pah
    Registered Users Posts: 3,512 ✭✭✭pah


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122171693#Comment_122171693

    Does the 85kw and 100kw not refer to the motor i.e. the power or does the larger kw motor imply a larger battery also?

    As a side note EV terms can be confusing and I rarely see it mentioned as part of the issue with EV sales

    batteries given in KWh or Ah for i3's, power given in Kw or BHP and donedeal descriptions listing things wrong at least half the time.



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    #11684
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122173902#Comment_122173902

    Yes, it's the power of the motor, but doesn't necessarily mean that the battery has greater storage with the more powerful motor.

    In the case of the e-Golf, it does, but it doesn't necessarily need to. One's a measure of storage, the other is a measure of power output. If the motor's power output goes up though, the battery will deplete faster, so usually the storage goes up too.

    Power output used always be measured in bhp (brake horsepower) but it's now tending to be stated in kW (kilowatts).



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    #11685
    djan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,840 ✭✭✭djan


    I don't see where any confusion comes in with EV terms? For battery capacity, kWh is the standard really bar the one time BMW went a bit wild with i3. When it comes to power, kW and BHP(PS) is akin to miles and km. As is custom in continental Europe and is actually within EU legislation, the standard unit for engine performance is kW with BHP only being allowed as an additional descriptor.

    Main confusion definitely arises from the drastic changes in range depending on driving style and external conditions due to the extremely high efficiency of electric motors.



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    #11686
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users Posts: 9,150 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122175194#Comment_122175194

    Just as a rule of thumb your conversion rate is about 1bhp = 0.75kW or 1kW = 1.35bhp



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    #11687
    natexornate
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭natexornate


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122063896#Comment_122063896

    Interestingly, this car is back up for sale from its new owner for 50 euro less than last time, asking 11,450:

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-leaf-40kw-cold-pack/37053145

    At least this time the damage on the front bumper is clearly shown.



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    #11688
    allinthehead
    Registered Users Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122178978#Comment_122178978

    That was reduced to 10k before being marked as sold too.

    ☀️



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    #11689
    natexornate
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭natexornate


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122179068#Comment_122179068

    That's a good point, thanks. Didn't remember that when posting.



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    #11690
    Luna84
    Registered Users Posts: 652 ✭✭✭Luna84


    NCT due too soon. Well withing the 90 days prior to due date to get it done so new owner does not have to worry about it and make the vehicle easier to sell.



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    #11691
    OfflerCrocGod
    Registered Users Posts: 6,311 ✭✭✭OfflerCrocGod


    Some sort of wannabe dealer? Trying to flip it for a profit?



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    #11692
    natexornate
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭natexornate


    I messaged him and he said it was going to be 6k for a charger install in his house (old, consumer unit upgrade, etc…). 3-pin charger too slow and too much hassle.



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    #11693
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,300 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122171923#Comment_122171923

    You cannot check and correct it. It’s populated by DD directly.



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    #11694
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122186929#Comment_122186929

    I know. The model details are populated by DD, but you pick the model.

    Edit: You can also add detail in the description or the headline



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    #11695
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,300 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122186935#Comment_122186935

    Makes no difference. I Selected the performance model for a car a few weeks back and it still populated it with the SR+ details.



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    #11696
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122187163#Comment_122187163

    Doesn't stop you adding it to the description though.



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    #11697
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,300 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122187178#Comment_122187178

    Agree. But that’s not my point. I was correcting the post that stated it could be checked and edited in the pre-populated fields.



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    #11698
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122187180#Comment_122187180

    Well maybe you should have checked the post I replied to which mentioned adding the info to the description, not the pre-populated fields. Which I directly referred to: "correct it as you say".



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    #11699
    snowcat
    Registered Users Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    I have my 2017 Ioniq available. Have a new 232 one in the drive. Just replaced all TPMS sensors. Did 2 abs sensors in rear. Replaced the gear oil with Liqui Moly 70/75. New Michelin tyres. Showing 240km range atm. Quick sale required as 3 cars in drive. 11k special offer for Boards.ie

    Post edited by snowcat on


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    #11700
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,300 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122187203#Comment_122187203

    Well you Can’t edit the pre populated fields. Even when you select the correct spec as you put it.

    Your comment

    “Edit: The seller has allowed the ad to be populated by the later model's specs. Sneaky.”

    Seller has no input to the population of the data.



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    #11701
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122187285#Comment_122187285

    So having been proven wrong in the post you said you were correcting, you've now moved on to another post because you're not man enough to admit your error.

    Good to know.



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