Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

The giving out and tearing down of these expensive "trespass" tents really grinds my gears.

The cycle must be broken.

Let them have their tent and their encampment on the grand canal ( the Dublin 4 section to be specific) for the following reasons.

This is more likely to be the area the political class and parasitic lawyers that are in favour of this live.

It may provide motivation for these powerful people to put something in place to stop the flow.

If the flow isn't stopped no amount of accommodating will make any difference other than rendering Irish a minority in Ireland.

This is exactly how the establishment want you to think about the protests. They don't want protesters to be labelled as concerned citizens standing up for communities.

Its actually really sad to see fellow citizens resort to name calling rather than look at things objectively. But its how its all planned. The government are scared of the public revolting on this. Hence the heavy garda tactics and the media being complicit in the reporting of events to intimate people into submission. Full names, addresses and photos of Irish people charged essentially with breaching the peace. I won't go into details, due to boards rules, but open your eyes to what really happened with your 2nd last sentence.

Maybe there should be local consultation with the local community instead of shoehorning a bus load of unknowns into any area in the country in the middle of nowhere. Sounds very forceful and outright impertinent by our so called betters.

Try putting them into posh addresses more often if you can. Loads of amenities and job opportunities for these doctors and engineers.

That's actually a very good question! Any dog worth having will certainly try to protect its owner..

Any dog(s) that see their owner being pushed to the ground by a group of men is going to ve distressed, very hard to control your dog as you're being pinned to the ground. Equally plenty of people who work in construction would have a stanley knife in their workwear pockets.

People need to open their eyes and be objective. If the gardai want a charge against you, they will find something to do you for. Question what they're doing, 'oh you're failing to comply'……..

Why shouldnt someone bring their dog?

I certainly wouldn't anticipate being pushed to the ground by Gardaí if I were protesting peacefully.

It's one thing to take someone by the arm and place them under arrest if they are breaking the law.

It's another thing entirely to push them to the ground when they haven't physically been aggressive towards you.

If I pushed someone to the ground that I disagreed with, it would be called assault.

Funny you should say that, listening to the news yesterday and there was some guy from one of the many NGO's that support AS and he was whinging about the cut to the money that AS receive that the government announced and he was saying there was consultation but I bet he is happy when the government dropping bus loads of AS in communities all across the country without any consultation and with the heavy handed the support of the Gardai. Hypocrites.

Contrast the Palestinian protests at Trinity who barricaded the Book of Kells with those protesting asylum seekers being placed in their small villages. The coverage is worlds apart.

The media here were absolutely gushing at those Trinity students with lots of articles backing the protests and the individuals involved. It was seen as a great victory and example of people power when a few students withheld access to the Book of Kells to further a political agenda.

Those protesting IP seekers being placed in their locality are castigated and labelled as being sinister and unlawful. As you say, protests are presented highly unfavourably and those protesting have their names and addresses published.

It's a total double-standard, people aren't blind.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Gardai were there upholding the laws of our land, those that were arrested, broke those laws.

With the media and the government controlling the narrative protesters should be avoiding these confrontations at all costs. As soon as the heavies arrive preparing to engage the protesters should just go homeand come back later. The guards don't have the resources to keep sending in the heavies so they need engagement. The protesters just need to avoid that to win.

Nothing at all wrong with peaceful protests. peaceful protests take place in Dublin every single week.

I know exactly what An Garda Siochana means, I also know what the law means and if someone is breaking the law, Gardai will deal with them.

Fair enough.

Not sure why you'd be lumping the two together though.

As regards Tóibín

I wouldn't be an Aontu voter but he's a solid pragmatic politician only major problem being he's not fully committing to the EU seat. That'll harm his chances greatly and it's the one reason he'll struggle to get in.

Even if that Red C poll from last year was correct, there's no guarantee whatsoever this would transfer to votes in an election. It's a big leap to think that voters in an election are going to base their vote solely on immigration / asylum seekers and on nothing else, as if all other issues affecting people's lives at present are irrelevant.

Just been listening to an interview with some people living in direct provision who have been given notice to leave their accommodation, they have been granted permission to remain in Ireland and are working, one was on disability so not sure if he's working.

Anyway they're not happy because although they don't want to be still in direct provision accommodation they would rather stay because they can't afford to go anywhere else.

Welcome to the club lads, I directly provide accommodation to my 2 children in their 20's, they would rather not be there but can't afford to go anywhere else.