Increase in Anti-EV Media Articles

Personal experience trumps imaginary numbers that were plucked out of thin air.

If you want more thorough statistics you could maybe look at this survey: https://www.which.co.uk/news/article/the-truth-about-electric-car-battery-degradation-apYqu1y6IYnr

As of a 2022 survey, cars that were 3 years old at that time still had an average of 98% of battery remaining. 7 year old cars still had 95% of their original battery life. A far cry from the 15% drop after 3 years that you suggested in your prior post.

And if the motor was nosier than the tyres it would suggest a speed of <20kmh

Outside of warranty there is possibly only about 3 garages in Ireland that actively repair EV batteries. Lots more options available if you need an engine repaired or even replaced.

I have personal experience of a car with an internal combustion engine whose range was nowhere near the stated. When I queried this with the dealer he said that the engine had degraded and what was stated was the range "brand new" and that this is to be expected

So range drop is not a phenomenon solely related to EVs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122176020#Comment_122176020

I wouldn't read much into that survey just as I don't read much into any car reliability or ownership surveys. Owners are biased, mistaken, non-technical, forgetful, mathematically challenged and can't be relied on.

That Which? survey use the following question to come up with its degradation "statistics".

When your [electric car model] is fully charged please estimate how the current maximum range compares to the original maximum range when you bought your car.

An "estimate" and not a good one given that very few people will test the range of their car to breakdown while taking account of variables like tenperature etc. Let alone doing this while they are buzzing with excitement over their lovely new car. And as the survey lumped in cars that were bought used, for all we know the first owner could have experienced significant degradation from new.

Batteries degrade, that's a fact. As for how much, I'd pay far more attention to the battery capacity findings of one man (Bjorn Nyland) than some range survey. As can be seen from this he has found 5.8-15.7% degradation in 1-2 year old Tesla Model 3s

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1V6ucyFGKWuSQzvI8lMzvvWJHrBS82echMVJH37kwgjE/edit#gid=244400016

Yes and no. The range never really enters people's consciousness with an ICE because they can pull into a forecourt and fill up. However, the dip in range on an ICE translates to spending more money on fuel. The dip in range with an EV translates to spending more time charging. The EV engine doesn't lose efficiency because there is no carbon build-up. The question is… which is worth more; time or money?

If range is an issue, then you don't have the flexibility of being able to pull into a forecourt at will and fill up quickly with an EV. Conversely, you don't have the ability to wake up every morning with a full tank with an ICE unless you have a pump at home.

But is range really the issue? Many people look at 180km range and think that's nothing… it's not enough. However, the national mileage average is 17,000km per year, or 326km per week / 65.2km per day (based on a 5-day working week).

let's hypothesise… If the range dropped to 150km on a full charge, you could still achieve an annual mileage equivalent of 39,000km per year based on a 5-day working week and driving 150km per day (no driving at the weekend). Perhaps the owner wants to have at least 10% battery by the time they get home (no squeaky bum), then you're looking at being able to drive 35,100km per year or 135km per day based on the same parameters. Those figures are over double the national average.

I'm saying this because the range argument is constantly being thrown about, and the reality is that for many, as per the national average, it is not an issue, or it's a far smaller concern than it's made out to be. I guarantee that if people sat down and charted their driving, many would find that something that could cover 150km a day would be ample for their needs. Yes, they may have some trips that would require a stop, but is that really enough of a reason to completely dismiss an EV?

I'm not saying this suits everyone; some people do a lot of driving and 150km range would be a nightmare. Others may not be able to add home charging which is in my opinion, vital for owning an EV.

If you've spent all this money on a new car, your range isn't going to be 150km. If you're buying a used EV with a range of 150km, you're not spending a lot.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-leaf-2012/37014662 Battery Range (NEDC): 175 km / Cost €1,885.

Whether it makes “sense” to you or I doesn’t really matter- consumers don’t act rationally is what I learned in economics class many years ago

No, they listen to FUD and accept it as gospel without doing any research.

but you dont know the impact itll have on resale

Call it FUD/stupidity/ignorance if you wish but I've been driving EVs for over 6 years and there is no way I would buy another one with a range of 180km unless it was for a song and used only as a local run around

I've suffered the short range EVs and don't voluntary intend ito do it again

Well that's not a range issue as you implied. That a bloody minded issue.

If someone wants to a car for nonstop 8 hour journeys and F1 style pitstops they should go buy one.

https://youtu.be/R79yYo2aOZs?si=fljv-DDNEoVw64dE