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BRITISH GENERAL ELECTION - 4TH JULY

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,175 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    can’t help but think Sunak just wants to go back to a life of privilege and is fed up being PM - a good way for him to just bow out - you can tell that his heart isn’t in what he says - he’s just going through the motions - he’s just stopping short of saying “please don’t vote for us”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,780 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    There doesn't seem to be any other reasoning behind this decision. On almost every issue they would have been, if not better, but had some chance if they waited. So it seems that either he got fed up with the work (and being PM is a difficult and time-consuming job) or he felt that he didn't have MPs' support and simply gave them the two fingers.

    There has always been a question mark over why he wanted to be PM. Apart from the base position that everyone has that it sounds great, after a while the sheer difficulty of the position, exacerbated by both the awful position the Tories found themselves in and his clear lack of any real political skills, would grind anyone down. Particularly since he is a multimillionaire and doesn't need the hassle and certainly doesn't need to be living in a relatively pokey flat, being constantly questioned over his use of helicopters and the like.

    So he basically threw a bit of a strop, got fed up with the whole thing, and just needs to be through the next 6 weeks before returning to his lavish lifestyle and complete freedom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,293 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The day he announced it the Spectator (essential reading for Tories) were ready to lead with a story on what a terrible time it "would be" to call an election not knowing the very thing was about to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,504 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Absolutely. It's a bit like Trump as President. He loved the election and he loved the pomp and ceremony of the job. He hated the actual job itself though - endless people bringing him problems that he had zero interest in since they weren't about himself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,175 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭Randycove


    has there actually been any question marks over why he became prime minister, or is it just idle speculation?

    He joined the Conservative Party while he was at university, long before he met his wife which is when he technically became a millionaire. His own parents were doctors I believe, so while fairly affluent, hardly millionaires, unless GPs in the NHS earn a lot more than they do here.

    I thought he might have been a decent PM, but it seems that there is too much going on behind the scenes with the Tories for anyone to excel at the moment. They need a complete re-set as a party, which currently seems very unlikely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,161 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Became a poisoned chalice as soon as bonking boris rocked in to town



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,483 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    How could he have been a decent PM? If he has demonstrated anything during his tenure it is that he is spectacularly bad at politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    An Irish interest, Morgan McSweeney the Labour Director of elections is from Macroom. Sue Gray one time ran a pub in Newry. Morgan's cousin, Clare Mugovan is an advisor to Leo Varadkar.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/24/meet-the-top-teams-the-key-election-advisers-to-sunak-and-starmer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,175 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    HIGNFY this evening totally agrees too - it’s not just us - the commentators totally called out that “he wants to lose”



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  • Registered Users Posts: 553 ✭✭✭supereurope


    As I expected might happen, Gove the deflated toad is standing down, as is Andrea Loathsome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,272 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I'm scratching my head why he ever became an MP. He was already a multi-millionaire worth hundreds of millions (and his wife's family worth billions) and yet he wanted to be a Member of Parliament at age 35….a really strange move for someone in his position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,972 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Sunak welshed on the £1000 bet with Piers Morgan over the Rwanda horsesh1t aswell, #10 say they're not going to pay up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,972 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    He'll need 24 hour security for the rest of his life, its bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,293 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    He joined to Tories at Oxford where politics is just a game for posh boys and a chance at a bit of fame and glory. You win the game by becoming PM, there is no bonus points for being a good PM and if anything you would lose points for putting in effort.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,972 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    A near billionire refusing to pay up, I heard that somewhere before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭Randycove


    he married in to money, are you suggesting he should just become kept man?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭Randycove


    that’s just reverse snobbery.

    I’m pretty sure Diane Abbot got in to politics at Oxford as well, or does it only count if they’re Tories?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,813 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Why write a cheque you cannot cash? Sunak just looks more foolish than ever.

    It's all quite fascinating. Rwanda was an important policy plank for Sunak, and he was unable to implement it thanks to the legal challenges of the NGO lobby groups. Its failure has severely damaged his personal reputation and that of the Conservative party.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭Randycove


    I don’t think it’s just its failure, the entire thing was a complete farce.

    It was a very unpopular (even among a lot of Tory voters) hill he chose to die on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,272 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Rumour mill tonight that all is not well in the Sunak camp….seems like things are kicking off behind the scenes.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,838 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No, he was unable to implement it because he's a privileged imbecile who's never worked a day in his life. People like this think the world is built to favour them and then act surprised when their will alone is insufficient to change things to their liking.

    By the way, Sunak and his non-domiciled wife increased their net worth by £120 million in the past 12 months…

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,780 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Legal challenges and NGO lobbying? He made up a law to overrule the Supreme Court!

    It failed because it was performative nonsense from the start. It was a scheme designed for a photo op, it was never going to actually work. It cost the UK 500m and within the deal they agreed to take as many Rwanda deported as they sent so net impact was always going to be zero.

    It was a policy Sunak didn't need to tie himself to. He had plenty of opportunity to sidestep it. He could have put it on the long finger when he became PM. Yes it is important, but getting cost of living down, getting interest rates down, improving the NHS are the real issues. He could have easily led on that.

    But even having tied himself to it at the start, the supreme Court ruling gave him another out. He could have parked it claiming a full review would be undertaken in light of the ruling blah blah

    But he couldn't see anything but trying to impress the right wing and trying to outdo Reform.

    It failed because its an unworkable policy.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,838 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The UK is one of the most centralised countries in the whole world with no formally codified constitution. It's effectively a 650-person dictatorship with no checks or balances. The "But NGOs" is patent nonsense.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Ahwell


    He was told be his legal advisers that the latest immigration bill was unlikely to stand up to legal challenges, but he went ahead away.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,813 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    If Sunak was able to send people to Rwanda, he would have. He didn't have some magic overrule.

    He couldn't because he was blocked by the courts who strawman-ed the 1951 UN Refugee Convention, something that was signed in a completely different era, to address a completely different issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭whatever.


    What would people's opinions be of a possible hung parliament with a DUP / Liberal / Conservative unenvyness outcome



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭Get Real


    Good summary. In talking/chatting with a few suppliers I work with in the UK over the last few days, this has been a theory among a few, who wouldn't be talking to each other necessarily.

    It's a logical explanation. Doesn't have to resign for the sake of resigning. But call an election and lose. Then it can be a "respectable resignation" after a loss along the lines of

    "I've always wanted to put the interests of this great country first. I believe that my party and it's policies, for which I am passionate, are key to making this happen. I gave the British people a democratic choice, for it is they who should decide... And now, the British people have decided, I shall resign as Prime Minister. I have been proud to...and I will always be passionate about what is right for my country, and it's people"

    Heads off to previous life, nice to have former Prime Minister on CV/ in the family scrapbook for future generations.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    the only logic I can find is “the sooner we lose this one, the sooner we get back in because Starmer has all the charm of a corpse.”

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    getting cost of living down, getting interest rates down, improving the NHS are the real issues. He could have easily led on that.

    You know you're talking about the Tories? None of that is in their interests.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,357 ✭✭✭Shoog


    No Tory PM is ever going to lift a finger to defend the NHS, they hate it, and it's ultimate destruction is going right to plan. The Starmer government will do nothing to reverse the covert privatisation which is driving up costs - they will adopt them as party policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,357 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Why stake your reputation on a policy which was so obviously flawed and unimplementable, it just highlight the incompetence of an ideologically driven party.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,838 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I don't think it's entirely that.

    They know they're going to lose. They also know that the SNP have a new leader that nobody has heard of. They also know that Starmer's stance on Gaza has angered many in his party and they know that Reform UK won't have candidates for many, if not most seats. They're particularly scared of Reform UK.

    Feel a bit bad for Albania though:

    Nice thing for them to do and this is the response they get.

    Sunak knows when it'll be before everyone else so he'll be hoping that Labour tear themselves apart making a manifesto so quickly while shoring up what he can against the Liberal Democrats and Reform UK.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Sunak going into crisis mode today. This election 'plan' has belly flopped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    He presumably needed a "duvet day" after the week he's had.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,803 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-69037424

    His chances of survival stood at just 5%. The NHS saved his life.

    Like his new legs, his hands were originally provided by the NHS, but he
    has since gone outside the NHS for new hands, likening the original
    prosthetic hands he was given to "something out of medieval times".

    One joke that reflects the cuts imposed by this government, is that he'll be disappointed when looses his seat and finds out he doesn't qualify for disability.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,838 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    That's its job though? The religious obsession with the NHS completely blocks any sensible conversation about a healthcare system that is unique in Europe and seems to be falling apart.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34





  • It's effectively a 650-person dictatorship with no checks or balances.

    Do you hope that Labour wins this election?

    Because if you do, then it calls into question what you would consider that future parliament to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Labour say they will lower the voting age to 16 after they win the election.

    This is clearly the type of change that should be decided by a referendum as it obviously any changes to electoral laws will be exploited by the government of the day to help increase their vote.

    Labour only want this change because it will help them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I suggest asking Labour to apply a written constitution to UK laws and Parliament, then you can demand a referendum.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭mrsdewinter


    Sunak proposing the return of national service is a plot twist I didn't see coming.

    Any details of costings or how it would be implemented? Are we going to see UK border officials having to stop young people as they leave GB to interrogate them over their national service status?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,357 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,659 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    A lot of people aren't "enthusiastic" about the current Labour Party because they have absolutely no idea what it is they stand for or what their principles are. They are a blank slate, who are only within a sniff of power because the current Conservative Party are the most horrific iteration of that organisation since the days of Margaret Thatcher and have led Britain into the truly awful situation they presently experience.

    But Starmer's "Labour" is an unknown quantity that people are only willing to have a punt on because the Tories have to be eliminated as thoroughly as possible. Which, ironically, is something that some Tories seem to be in favour of, as well, as evidenced by them calling for an election in just over a month's time with the sure knowledge that they will be decimated. Conservative leadership "logic" here seems to be just get it over with.

    This thing is, British politics is in a really weird crossroads at present, where they have a situation that a lot of people have finally woken up to the absolute cretinous shambles that the Conservatives are, but the only option open to them is to vote for a party whose only shining attribute is "we're not the Tories".

    It's no wonder there a lack of enthusiasm.





  • It's electoral gerrymandering and like all gerrymandering, it should be held in contempt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,357 ✭✭✭Shoog


    There is no constitution so no need for such a referendum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,357 ✭✭✭Shoog


    This is just a way to appeal to the nostalgia oldy crowd. Will come to nothing even if they did win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,357 ✭✭✭Shoog


    The Tories have been gerrymandering boundaries for generations giving them an implicit advantage, and then there was the wheeze to insist on photo ID to vote ( a policy designed to undermine a left leaning younger vote). So forgive me for been unmoved if Labour try to rebalance the books a little.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on




  • "Generations"; the Tories must be pretty bad at it then if they're about to lose the upcoming election in a landslide.

    And second to that, two wrongs don't make a right (even if I grant you that assumption, which I don't).



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,838 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The voting age should be lowered. If 16 year olds can join the army, they should be able to vote.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,357 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Thats because they impoverished the country. It took a long time for people to escape from their Stockholm syndrome.

    I actually don't see much wrong with allowing 16 year olds to vote. The country has been schewed so far to the over 60s in demographics that it has had a very negative impact on the under 30s who have been disadvantaged in just about every policy decision over the last 30 years. Time to rebalance to favour the people who actually have to keep the country ticking over rather than those who are waiting to die and penny pinching all the way to the grave.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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