Increase in Anti-EV Media Articles

If you've spent all this money on a new car, your range isn't going to be 150km. If you're buying a used EV with a range of 150km, you're not spending a lot.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-leaf-2012/37014662 Battery Range (NEDC): 175 km / Cost €1,885.

Whether it makes “sense” to you or I doesn’t really matter- consumers don’t act rationally is what I learned in economics class many years ago

No, they listen to FUD and accept it as gospel without doing any research.

It’s very likely motor tax will gradually increase on ICE from now on making them less attractive - when restricted zones and daily charges for ICE around the cities comes in eventually that will also decrease their value - but we know that

but you dont know the impact itll have on resale

Call it FUD/stupidity/ignorance if you wish but I've been driving EVs for over 6 years and there is no way I would buy another one with a range of 180km unless it was for a song and used only as a local run around

I've suffered the short range EVs and don't voluntary intend ito do it again

Well that's not a range issue as you implied. That a bloody minded issue.

If someone wants to a car for nonstop 8 hour journeys and F1 style pitstops they should go buy one.

https://youtu.be/R79yYo2aOZs?si=fljv-DDNEoVw64dE

maybe it goes back to economic theory - consumers don’t act rationally 😀

some, most do, especially when you consider cost of living etc

I go back to my comment earlier about 2+ people new to electric cars this year, no fuss, no big deal, just did the numbers

I agree with you there. Tax should be rebated rather than giving a grant at source - that was a bad idea and led to inflated prices. Perhaps the rebate should be linked to the mileage that you do… a reverse carbon credit or something like that.

There are incentives for employers/ businesses. If I recall correctly, there is no BIK on a car that costs less than €50k. If it's over €50k, there are discounts on the OMV of the vehicle, which reduces the BIK cost for the employee.

there’s no one economic theory that will fit everyone in how they behave- especially when you consider what some people are willing to spend on a brand new car and the rate of depreciation - like a Lamborghini or something - but anyway that’s well away from where we are-

I’m conscious this forum is full of people who own an EV- it’s naturally in their interest to “sell” the concept of an EV and try and maintain a positive spin on pricing and future values etc - that’s all perfectly fine and above board and I’d probably be doing similar if I owned one- but for those who don’t right now and me included, price is probably one of the biggest concerns in terms of heading towards an EV- and actually no place for home charging could well be another major factor - there’s 100,000s of people living in terraced houses with no driveway and apartment blocks up and down the country - potential EV buyers but won’t buy due to lack of home charging

Most people here are not trying to maintain a positive spin, they're addressing disinformation in the media. Personally, if people want to keep the oil barons rich, that's their choice… Big Oil thanks them for their custom.

If someone doesn't like an EV because it's an EV, that's their opinion… but they don't generally do that, they churn out FUD to justify their reasons. I don't like Apple iPhones… I don't churn out BS, I just say that I don't like the interface.

Yes, there are people an EV won't suit and I absolutely agree that home charging is a must. However, due to how dwellings are constructed here, there are far more people with a means for home charging than not. There were 2,115,361 residential dwellings in Ireland in Q2 2023, according to the GeoDirectory database. The number of apartments, which are defined as dwellings that exist in a building of five or more dwellings, amounted to 214,605 (10.1% of the national stock). Terraced dwellings accounted for 28.3%. There are 100,000's of people that can't home charge, but they account for less than 30% of the overall housing stock.

The bangernomics thread has had to up the budget to 3k and struggling with that. Big money being asked for used high mileage ICE cars imo. Never really got back to reasonable after COVID and Brexit.

You can't compare a Lambo to an average buy, someone buying them in reality is massively successful and have that sort of cash, thus affording the depreciation. Or its a once in a lifetime purchase.

I own both an EV and a combustion, I don't put any spin on it. I made a decision many years ago based on the maths that an electric car would save me lots of money and to keep two cars on the road, which I have to, it made total sense to have at least one EV. The first one had a lot worse range than the current one and I still never used the charging networking.

You mention 100,000's of people in terrace house, I can tell you I live in Dublin and the entire area was 1970's houses with driveway and 99% of them had two cars and very easy to install a charge point, still today the number of electric is small, in reality every single house could have at least 1 EV without any issue.

Price is not a concern to be honest, as I mentioned above I have had two, when I finally trade in this one against a new car I won't be out of pocket. Between service cost, fuel, tax etc I will see a significant saving if I had bought a new combustion car compared to a new electric car.

Honestly you don't want to buy an electric, I am not here to convince you to, I am just giving my point of view. The longer peopel stay in combustion cars the longer I will continue to see the savings I am making. I would like the tolls discount back because that was great but Im just greedy

Most people are not buying electric cars because they don't understand them and they are unwilling to learn, that is not my concern and I dont have to persuade them. If someone comes up to me and says they don't want to buy electric, I turn around and tell them quickly I never asked them to. Same as I wouldn't tell anyone to buy a petrol or diesel.

If someone asks and is willing to listen I will give the pros and cons.

I don't actively try to change people's minds. Sometimes I have been giving them a lift and they ask questions or they know I have an EV and they're curious - they have heard bad things but they want to hear someone's actual experience. In most cases, they had a distorted view and when I clarified my experience versus what they had heard, their perception was changed. Generally, when I discuss the savings, they get very interested.

Personally, I don't think the government should be the one to try and change people's minds. If it comes from them, people will double down on the negativity.

If I was in your particular situation, I probably wouldn't change unless the numbers said otherwise. Before my EV, I had a newish Diesel and an 08 Diesel. The 08 had over 350,000km and was getting to the point where it was becoming a money drain. I was originally looking at a 5-year-old Diesel but when I charted my usage and looked at the running costs, a brand new EV would cost me €20 more per month. It's probably going to cost less with the way things are going.

Absolutely, don't get up to your neck in loans. Too many people live on the never never. I won't be changing my EV until the loan is paid off but it made sense for me when I drilled down the numbers.

I'm not sure if I read one of your posts correctly, but it looked like you said that you don't have the means for home charging? If this is the case then I wouldn't recommend an EV. The cost for public charging is exorbitant and you lose a big benefit of being able to plug it in at night and let it charge away for a low cost.