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You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the right.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 22 HakunaJuanMata


    Remember when the left used to be anti war? How times change.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,676 ✭✭✭thinkabouit


    whats causing the arson attacks?
    oh bs i can guarantee if there was a very right wing government leftys would be out burning things aswell. No doubt whatsoever


    You make getting elected sound like it’s so easy, perhaps you should try it. And there’s every chance these “right wing extremism” 🙄 will get elected, all because of a weak left government.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,749 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Leave Russia to invade Ukraine wouldn't bring out peace, it would allow for large scale genocide and war crimes. It's just a false concept of peace. George Orwell who would have been on the left called out the likes of HG Wells during WW2 for backing such a strategy of leaving Germany off, it just allowed for the danger of Nazism to grow.

    https://orwell.ru/library/reviews/wells/english/e_whws



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,749 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You can fantasise about that scenario but the reality is you seem to actively support thugs and are an apologist for their crimes. You're trying to justify it and it's not justifiable. And tbh, I think we're just ramping up to a point where we end up with our own Jo Cox scenario.

    It's also pretty telling that a fair proportion of people running in the far right have a long history of violence. Patriots like Philip Dwyer who couldn't hold down a job cause he kicked dogs in the head or Heasman who engaged in domestic abuse. Then you've got the others who felt entitled to harass library staff the library having books that they didn't like. The arsonists are likely to be the same types, they're thugs who like to intimidate. And then you have the people who seem to have a poor grasp of democracy that they think such intimidation is fine.

    Guessing you'll say I'm full of **** though. 😊



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,849 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,189 ✭✭✭mountain




  • Registered Users Posts: 41,065 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Right wing extremism is causing the arson attacks

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,213 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2024/05/24/it-is-becoming-a-living-hell-residents-of-dublin-housing-complex-protest-against-anti-social-behaviour/

    i wonder why the patriot heroes of east wall and coolock etc. aren't protecting these people from violent scum given they protect are women and children etc.?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,676 ✭✭✭thinkabouit


    Very lazy.

    Most would agree it’s soft left policies such as our immigration control.

    And ramming people into areas that really they shouldn’t be doing, in a so called democracy!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,676 ✭✭✭thinkabouit


    no stop puttingword’s into my mouth again like you always do, jump to conclusions without context.

    Would you call the people that started the war that got us Our independence from Britain thugs?

    Iv seen plenty videos of you left on the Internet & your all capable of extremes and are the gombeens that tend to start trouble. The only difference is the Corporate media is on the left side so we never hear about their antics.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,849 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Humour me. What's your idea of a better voting system?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,849 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Erm. "Soft left policies" are not setting buildings on fire. I'd also doubt most people would blame the policies over the people with the accelerant

    But you're reminding me of that song, "Guns don't kill people, rappers do".



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,676 ✭✭✭thinkabouit


    Yes they ultimately are.
    How many buildings got burned down before they were earmarked for accommodation of hundreds of foreign men? And before Gardai started deploying riot squads to peaceful protests?

    The government’s policies are the fuel & oxygen needed to start a fire, and we all no there’s plenty of scum willing to be the spark that ignites it.

    Start peeling the onion mate



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    LOL you are thinking of FPtP, in PR/STV voting for someone else doesn't remove a vote from someone you don't want to be elected.

    FPtP which im guessing you are gonna say is better is inherently undemocratic, there has been been just 1 government in the UK elected by a majority of voters in the last 100 years and it was a coalition. Labour who are polling on less than 50% are predicted to win a majority of 60%+ of seats.

    The last tory government won 43.6% of the vote but got 56% of seats



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,676 ✭✭✭thinkabouit




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,849 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    But...

    They're not though.

    People (probably men, let's be honest) made the decision that instead of engaging with the authorities, lit a match and set buildings on fire. That's a decision someone with the power of a decision made.

    They could have done lots of other things, but nope, set a fire.

    Riot squads do not get deployed to peaceful protests. (Trust me, I have been on many).



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,749 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    We were an occupied territory without the ability to self determine or self govern. So it wasn't a remotely similar scenario. They were also highly intelligent political minds, pretty clear that Blighe et al are angry morons.

    Post edited by eightieschewbaccy on


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,849 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Because you're a spoofer. I thought I'd do the decent thing and only challenge ONE aspect of that post, thinking you might show me a better way to elect people than prstv, but of course you can't.

    I never classed people that do good as left. You assumed that. I only pointed out that I never, ever, ever have seen these right wingers that profess an undying devotion to their country, actually walk around with a bin bag, picking up litter, or scrubbing graffiti off a wall. I never ever see them trying to make the place a better place to live.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,718 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    So, Ireland's not a real democracy because we don't have a Nazi government and the 21st century variety are like freedom fighters…

    This thread's gone in a weird direction.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 41,065 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It's not lazy at all. Arson and attacks on buildings is all part of right wing extremism and hatred. The attempts to excuse and justify arson are pathetic.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,785 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Our system has the absolute least of "vote for someone cause you hate the others" of any system out there. The US and UK systems force you to vote for the lesser of two evils; cause there is no other option.

    If you thinks ours is bad, you don't understand electoral systems. Ours is world class. Allows you to vote for a party but reject a specific candidate (see Alan Shatter losing a seat to his running mate, for instance); doesn't force party lists on people; is properly proportional at least when 5 seat constituencies are used.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,589 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    If you think that this is weird you need to look in at the Time for a zero..thread !

    No, honestly !

    There's not enough balance poster wise .

    Everyone there thanking posts praising some of these thugs protesting , calling the police etc traitors , and supporting all sorts in the name of "the people " ..

    It's like walking into The Twilight Zone !



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,468 ✭✭✭francois


    Fash are vocal on social media, they're in for a wake up when the bunch of ratlickers find out support from MAGA and loyalist troll accounts can't vote. Al those likes are generally from abroad.

    Already some are claiming rigged elections, without realising STV voting system is one of the most robust.

    Thick cùnts the lot of them, candidates include wife beaters and drug dealers, who never actually were involved in local issues. Grifters one and all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,589 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    And Russia have been spending lots of dosh influencing via bought rag media and socials coming up to the elections .

    Don't think bots can vote either .



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,468 ✭✭✭francois


    This is the far right filth in full effect, paytriots who never stood up for local issues.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,718 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I do on occasion but it just reminds me what a cesspit it is.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 891 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    When talking about the likes of the national party, Irish people party etc and their supporters, there are two things that are obvious.

    First the line, there is no cure for being a cúnt, could have been written especially for the membership and some of their supporters

    Second our mental health services need a serious overhaul and a move away from a system that allows someone who is not capable of making informed decisions refuse treatment until they have deteriorated to the stage that involuntary admission is required.

    I've seen the latter happening to a good friend who is due to go under electroconvulsive therapy next week after an involuntary admission and months of being on the strongest meds they can prescribe.

    They have reached this stage because their condition has deteriorated so far over a two year period by them refusing to engage with the home based therapy team and refusing to take his medication and the home based team have essentially had their hands tied in preventing the deterioration occurring.

    The involuntary admission only came about after his family reached their wits end when his abuse turned from verbal to physical.

    It has been two years of him being sucked down the rabbit hole of quoting and repeating the same conspiracy and immigration bullshit you see on here and other sites.

    Blaming the foreign staff in the hospital for not believing that he has brain cancer and them refusing to provide the correct medical treatment one week, to saying that the medication he has been prescribed is part of a secret medical trial the next week, switch and repeat the following week.

    But apparently the likes of the national party etc are going to fix all of this for him when they are elected because they are going to get rid of all the foreign staff and replace them with Irish staff who were shipped to Australia and Canada by the leftist Marxists in the E.U. and Irish government so the foreign staff could be hired.

    Now I know, as do his family, that the rounds of electroconvulsive therapy if even successful isn't going to be a miracle cure, he is still going to need other ongoing treatments and be willing to engage in those treatments.

    They just hope as do I and the rest of his friends that with it he will be willing to engage with the follow up treatments and we get him back from the darkness that has replaced him with a stranger.

    The problem is that not everyone has family or friends who will stick with them when their head is so fúcked up and help ensure they get help.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,676 ✭✭✭thinkabouit


    So i take it giving the scenario you would support bringing down a government?

    If the far right held most positions of power after the next GE i can guarantee you’d see way worse things from you marxists.

    Blame angry morons like Blighe etc for all the problems we have all you you want, they havent been in power. It’s left leaning policys that has the country the way it is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,676 ✭✭✭thinkabouit


    Did you ask all these people out doing tidy towns and scrubbing graffiti if they were a far lefty or a far righty? Complete BS from you again.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,676 ✭✭✭thinkabouit


    Lefty code for I can’t win the debate or argument so i just stay away.



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