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Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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    #36662
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users Posts: 8,968 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122175215#Comment_122175215

    Yes, I saw her on RTE just now saying that normal Palestinians will get a lift out of this. Hamas probably don't even know it's happening to be fair



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    #36663
    TokTik
    Registered Users Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭TokTik


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122175642#Comment_122175642

    Mahmoud Abbas, this was highlighted massively over the past few days. Have you actually read anything beyond the headlines??

    Any diplomat who was a member of Hamas (a proscribed terrorist organisation) would be arrested.



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    #36664
    TokTik
    Registered Users Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭TokTik


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122175754#Comment_122175754

    Israelis have been complicit with Hamas and that is clearly a fact. Not all Israelis, but plenty of high ranking government officials.



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    #36665
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122175705#Comment_122175705

    What do those meetings have to do with a Pan-Arab invasion of Israel?

    Is this a way of approprtioning blame to USA/Israel, as if they made other states invade Israel? A bit like how some blame NATO for Russia's attack on Ukraine.

    At the end of the day, that invasion happened and if it did not, there would be peace in the Levant.



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    #36666
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,330 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    DPS Seargant in NY to protestors: “I support killing all you guys”

    https://www.mediaite.com/news/public-safety-officer-tells-protestors-i-support-killing-all-you-guys/



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    #36667
    Weepsie
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,306 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122177053#Comment_122177053

    Go on keep ignoring what happened.pretend irgun and the rest were not bombing Palestinians into oblivion after the resolution and right up until Israel's creation. Pretend it was one sided because that's what suits you.

    Its compete and utter bollox, but go ahead and pretend.

    There wasn't going to be peace. Idf was made up of numerous Terrorist organisations.

    Imagine now Israel recognised Palestine and Palestine's military was allowed be the remnants of Hamas. That's what happened. They immediately began displacing people they were not allowed to. They immediately set about the plan to create a larger Israel than what the resolution said. Their were numerous calls to remove every single Palestinian and have Israel have all of the territory. They had violent fanatics in numerous official organisations and positions. But yea, peace was guaranteed.

    And I'm not excusing violence on behalf of those who opposed the resolution, I'm laying out that it was then as it is now a wholly two sided cycle of violence.

    Israel has blood on its hands as much as anyone and to try and claim otherwise is ignorance at best



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    #36668
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,194 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122172852#Comment_122172852

    You say the Jews accepted, the arabs did not.

    How about saying it like this. 31% accepted it, the majority of the population of Palestine did not.

    You could even do better and say of the 31% who accepted it, most were at best first/second generation emigrants since the population of Palestine was about 10% jewish 30 years beforehand.

    the 1948 plan was a disaster from the start since it never took into consideration the wished of the majority of the population.



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    #36669
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Well this goes a long way towards explaining the steadfast UK support

    Tory politicians have accepted over £430,000 from Israel lobby groups and made 187 trips to the country

    Some 126 of the Tory party’s 344 MPs have accepted funding from pro-Israel lobby groups, Declassified has found

    https://www.declassifieduk.org/israel-lobby-funded-a-third-of-conservative-mps/



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    #36670
    sock.rocker*
    Registered Users Posts: 643 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    ICJ orders Israel to halt Rafah offensive.



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    #36671
    Sir_Name
    Registered Users Posts: 824 ✭✭✭Sir_Name


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122178112#Comment_122178112

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/icj-live-court-rule-israels-offensive-gaza-2024-05-24/

    Just a link for anyone interested. Still nothing to see here????



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    #36672
    TagoMago
    Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭TagoMago


    Will Bibi also compare this court to the German judges of the 1930s I wonder?

    The Israeli government are so hardline and extremist, the recent court rulings, arrest warrants and expanded recognition of the Palestinian state is emboldening them further, with no plan in sight of how this will possibly end.



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    #36673
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,465 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122178217#Comment_122178217

    The ruling has definitely happened - several news sites have tweeted in the last couple of minutes.



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    #36674
    sock.rocker*
    Registered Users Posts: 643 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    They've also been ordered to let investigators into Gaza and open the Rafah border crossing for aid.



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    #36675
    sock.rocker*
    Registered Users Posts: 643 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    On X, Israeli minister Itamar Ben-Gvir posted: “The order of the antisemitic court in The Hague should have only one answer – the occupation of Rafah, the increase of military pressure and the crushing of Hamas, until the complete victory in the war is achieved.”

    That word will never again carry any weight whatsoever. It's completely meaningless.



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    #36676
    Sudden Valley
    Registered Users Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122178392#Comment_122178392

    Obviously Israel will ignore this. I wonder how biden will spin this or if the americans will go after the icj judges now



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    #36677
    2smiggy
    Registered Users Posts: 20,399 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122178426#Comment_122178426

    he will end up losing the election over this.



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    #36678
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    I wonder how they will respond to everything that happened this week... Reflect on their actions the last months? Or close their eyes, shut down their brains and scream antisemitism?



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    #36679
    sock.rocker*
    Registered Users Posts: 643 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Smotrich said demanding Israel stops the war against Hamas was tantamount to demanding that Israel decide to cease to exist. “Israeli will not agree to that,” he said in a statement.

    "When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression"



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    #36680
    Rezident
    Registered Users Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭Rezident


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122178622#Comment_122178622

    Well they are fighting for survival against the hundreds of millions of Arabs in the region many of whom want to exterminate the few remaining Jews so they will be very defensive alright, and then on the offensive. If they were not, the few million Jews remaining in the middle east would already have been wiped out.

    500m Arabs v 7m Jews, it is a miracle they have survived that long against Islam. Only a matter of time though isn't it?



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    #36681
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,090 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122178774#Comment_122178774

    You talk of "Arabs" as if they were one bloc. They aren't.

    States "fighting for survival " aren't usually building civillian housing outside its own borders and moving it's citizens there.



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    #36682
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,330 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122178862#Comment_122178862

    astute point I haven’t seen raised before



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    #36683
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122178862#Comment_122178862

    Not to mention Iranians aren't Arabs..



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    #36684
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,090 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122178902#Comment_122178902

    "Israeli companies are using UK property shows to
    sell housing in illegal Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank,
    Guardian Unlimited can reveal."

    "At the Israel Property Exhibition at Brent town hall, North London last Sunday, one
    company, Anglo-Saxon Real Estate, was offering for sale properties in
    Maale Adumim and Maccabim. Both West Bank settlements lie on the
    Palestinian side of the so-called green line, the pre-1967 boundary and
    often cited as the border between Israel and a future Palestinian state."

    "The Anglo-Saxon real estate website was today listing 67 new build residential properties in Maale Adumim
    and six in Maccabim. That they are new properties is particularly
    significant because it indicates buyers would be contributing to
    expansion of the settlements."

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/nov/16/israel

    Doesn't really scream " fighting for survival against the hundreds of millions of Arabs in the region" does it?



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    #36685
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122178862#Comment_122178862

    Yes that post was such a load of rubbish. Silly me thinking Israel were fighting Hamas and Hezbollah and at a stretch the "hand" that is in a sense moving them both of late and providing money, weapons, training (the Iranian regime) but no, it is actually a large part of the hundreds of millions of ordinary humans they share the region with they are "fighting".

    What are they going to do to "win", nuke them all? I think trying to come to accomodations with them may be a better/smarter idea (even the Israeli govt. know that, despite all they are doing).



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    #36686
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,330 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122179352#Comment_122179352

    hard to come to accommodations by continuing to seize and annex and build illegal accommodations



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    #36687
    Furze99
    Registered Users Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    At what point will US solidarity with Israel shatter? The breaking point must be here or hereabouts. They unleashed the dogs of war and can't control them.



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    #36688
    scottser
    Registered Users Posts: 554 ✭✭✭scottser


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122179452#Comment_122179452

    Indeed, both the UK and US only 10 days ago said that an offensive on Rafah was the red line. Now, even despite the ICJ ruling to halt the offensive, they are still backing Israel with arms and propaganda. It could well be the issue that brings the Tories down. Fingers crossed..



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    #36689
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,343 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Isn't it extraordinary how the October 7th attack and its aftermath, abhorrent as they are, has led to this situation; even the decades long US and Western policy on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is in such a quandary, and under so much domestic and international pressure, that seems even more subversive to those policies than the Iraq invasion of 2003?



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    #36690
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,343 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    What I'm trying to say, is perhaps, that these events have raised the dilemma of the conflict to such an extent on the international stage, that it brings all of the contradictions and negligence of the wider world's attitudes to it to a terrible point of crisis, which did need to happen? In a way that decades of unspeakable violence and injustice did not?



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    #36691
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,090 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    On the West Bank-

    "At least seven people were killed in total and 19 wounded, two in
    serious condition, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health. 

    An undercover unit of Israeli special forces was discovered in the
    Jenin refugee camp around 8am local time, which was followed by an
    incursion of military vehicles into the area. 

    Eyewitnesses said Israeli forces were shooting indiscriminately at
    any Palestinian who moved in their vicinity, including people in their
    cars and families who went to pick up their children from school, which
    had been cancelled because of the raid. 

    Two boys, Osama Abu Hajeer, 16, and Mahmoud Hamadneh, 15, were killed
    as they were leaving their school. One of them was riding a bicycle
    when he was shot, according to local reports. "

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-forces-kill-palestinian-students-teacher-and-doctor-jenin-assault?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Social_Traffic&utm_content=ap_gpc8lzpjkn&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3gzKUvB8mCkHyBtI-FiYnEzuMdPA00m4M0zEa0dVRVykM_r_vYE7BVrFg_aem_AUlVbl42aNL26_txR881V9OIuIuhYLmTM9UoB9CwuixTSAfJkFDs8vumicVCEYs3b8BXSW-cYxKzJzecpiKSvm_m

    When they were doing this just a few times a year they could hide behind theirs and the Americans PR machines, but when its almost daily (taking into account Gaza) no amount of smoke is going to cover it).



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