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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    How would they direct someone to leave DP??

    Maybe you're being funny........



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Well that would be anecdote I guess even if you saw it with your own eyes. Anyways was covered on Claire Byrne this morning, and she'd hardly be covering it unless situation is getting serious.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Do you have social blade analytics from between February 2021 and April 2023 to show that the tweets didn’t have a reach?



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,465 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I don't but it seems a bit of a stretch to suggest that non Ukrainian refugees started coming to Ireland from 2022 onward to claim asylum based on a few tweets sent out by O'Gorman in early 2021 when the country was still under lockdown.



  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭engineerws


    The Garda would direct the occupant to get out because they have been granted refugee status and direct provision is for asylum seekers.

    In that instance, by your logic the refugees should follow Garda direction and leave direct provision. Is that correct?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Well if they are requested to leave and refuse, they are trespassing. No better than a criminal that refuses to leave your house. Or a protester refusing to leave a gateway when directed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,634 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    They've been down this road before. You should learn From other people's mistakes.

    But it's fine you've shown your colours. You'll take issue with Irish men but not with men from countries who'll treat women on average a hell of a lot worse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    It's interesting to me that some on these boards have simultaneously adopted the positions of being enthusiastically for Hate Speech legalisation; and being certain that O'Gorman's famous tweets inviting every scam artist in the Global South here are irrelevant.

    We are now told to believe that the stupid tweets of nobodies are so impactful, and such a threat to law and order that new laws curtailing the personal liberty of the entire nation are neccessary.

    At the same time, we must accept that the stupid tweets (the other way) of a high profile, sitting cabinet minister are unimpactful, meaningless and should not be discussed.

    Such moral gymnastics are neccessary in holding a fundamentally immoral position.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,719 ✭✭✭Augme


    The only showing their true colours is you. In ireland, Irish men rape and sexually assualt women far more than any other nationality. That's a fact and that's why Irish men going to consent classes will have a far more postive impact than worrying about trying to send all asylum seekers to consent classes.

    You do realise that argument works both ways yea?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭Ionraice


    There's that word "removal" again.

    Honestly, the verbal gymnastics is incredible.

    It is not necessary to push someone to the ground to "remove" them.

    Nor was it an attempt to remove them.

    You state that Gardaí should have to obey the same laws as everyone else, while simultaneously refusing to acknowledge that the Garda in question used unreasonable force, speaks volumes...

    Unfortunately, it also severely damages the credibility of your posts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭engineerws


    . ..



  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭engineerws




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,634 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Is that total numbers or proportionally?

    You do realise countries who've been down this road before found out the hard way what happens when huge numbers of men arrive from countries where women are second class citizens.

    Would you prefer if Irish men behaved more like men in Somalia and Afghanistan?



  • Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭whatever.


    There is so much incorrect again I speculate you are engaged in vexaxious behaviour

    Something can be derogatory and true at the same time but to allege witbout proof is derogatory in the absolute, people are entitled to their good name

    Local and living locally are two entirely different things, you or I do not have any information that is conclusive

    The provision to protest is set within legislation but it is equally recognised that actions that breach those setout can be rescinded to be within the publuc interest if adjudged

    "There absolutely is a prohibition on the possession of a knife"

    Perhaps you should read the legislation or maybe hand yourself in as a criminal for the knives in your kitchen also direct the Garda to retailers and restaurants

    Seizure and indeed arrest, charge, court appearance or trial is not now or ever has been congruent to guilt and to assume so disqualifies you from making a determination

    I would just like to highlight the contradiction and irony in your last paragraph. The people generating this protest have by admission of our own Justice Minister and by affirmation in the courts contravened the law by unlawfully entering the state

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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Mara Faint Showboat


    Importing new social norms https://archive.ph/Zg0Vw



  • Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭whatever.


    I'll draw your attention to the following

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8330751/

    The security of the state is the primary objective of any government and that extends to the people who make up the state

    The above is what happens when this primary objective is disregarded



  • Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭whatever.


    Please read the primary legislation rather than commenting from a position of inscience

    Concentrate on the difference between possesion and action

    Please refrain from referring to me in sexist language yet again or more subversivly as an invading and murdering people



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭eggy81




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,719 ✭✭✭Augme


    It's total number. You do accept for the safety and protection of women in Ireland that it is much more important for Irish men to attend consent classes than asylum seekers?

    The irony of your sentence and the follow up post.

    Firearms and Offensive Weapons Act 1990 section 9

    9.—(1) Subject to subsections (2) and (3), where a person has with him in any public place any knife or any other article which has a blade or which is sharply pointed, he shall be guilty of an offence

    Hang-on, i thought legal immigration was fine? I've constantly seen people in this thread giving out about asylum seekers and People who come here legally to work thrown in together and people here aren't "anti-immigration".



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  • Registered Users Posts: 662 ✭✭✭creeper1


    They could be Palestinians but there's a lot of fraud going on.

    I believe the Palestinians that have made it to Ireland were already living in another country such as Jordan for years before deciding to give Ireland a try.

    I guess the Israeli s would welcome a movement of Palestinians from Gaza. Indeed some of their politicians already indicated this (they made statements about that in very impolite terms). It would be a win win for both Palestinians and Israelis.

    The only loser would be the usual loser - the Irish tax payer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭star61


    I don’t think the original poster mentioned classes about consent. You went off on a tangent and changed the narrative. Then you focused on only one nationality & sex….Irish Men. Why is that? Do you think that Irish Men have a higher propensity to commit sexual assault than most other nationalities….in Ireland. What are you basing this on ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Nothing in this post proves anything to be false in my post. You clearly didn't read the legislation if you cannot understand how it is illegal to have a knife at a protest. Hand yourself in for knives in the kitchen 😂😂

    'Local and living local are two different things'

    Correct, why would anyone who does not live locally have any issues? Not that I believe there are any issues for locals anyway.

    If, as you say, the provision for protest is set out in legislation, you shall have no problem linking it here then........... ...

    I'm sorry, but your last paragraph is too funny. The people generating the protest are the people taking part in the protest. No one else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Seriously?

    Unfortunately it is clear I do have to explain.

    Gardai issue legal directions under various pieces of legislation, the public order act, for example. Failure to comply is an offence.

    In order for the nonsense question to make any sense can you can point out the legislation that covers IPAs living in DP centers and the section that refers to members of AGS having the legal authority to direct them to move please.......

    https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1994/act/2/section/8/enacted/en/html#sec8



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    You are failing to read my posts.

    Gardai can, by law, use reasonable force in the course of their duty, if what they do is deemed to be unreasonable, then they face the legal implications of that. Same as everybody else in the country.

    Now you may think a Garda pushing someone out of the way is some massive breach of international human rights, I can assure you it is not.

    You must be devastated at civilians being shot perfectly legally.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,719 ✭✭✭Augme


    In ireland, Irish men commit more sexual assualts than women. In Ireland, Irish men commit more sexual assualt than asylum seekers. So, since Irish men are responsible for more sexual assualts than both of those cohorts the impact of Irish men attending consent classes would be great on the total number of sexual assaults in Ireland.

    I never said Irish men have a higher propensity to commit sexual assualt compared to other nationalities.



  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭john123470


    Yes, might be Palestinian refugees already refugeeing in another country. But what about Palestinian refugees anyway - what do we know about them over the years of this conflict ?where do they seek refuge and how do they behave as refugees ?

    I decided to have a look. Below is a snapshot of Palestinian refugees refugeeing over the years. - im not gonna write a book about em. I apologize in advance for the length but I think it is necessary - when possible - to know about whom we are inviting in to stay with us, possibly forever. The Irish government will not tell us. They will simply dump them in your village and sanction the Gardai to use violence to deal with any protests

    so, who are Palestinian refugees and why does nobody, i mean Nobody, including their muslim brothers and sisters want to give them shelter in their time of need ? .. (nobody except of course for us, the ever ready wonderful Irish taxpayer, or at least the Irish government will invite them in on our behalf)

    After the 6 day war (1967), Israel occupied the west bank and Palestinians relocated to Jordan. From there, they started to launch attacks on Israel with the help of the Jordanian army. The PLO meanwhile grew apace.

    Then in 1970, in gratitude for being gifted asylum by King Hussein of Jordan, they tried to overthrow him.

    They began running a parallel state in Jordan in defiance of Hussein and tried to assassinate the man. Hussein, aware of wider Arab support for plo, tread warily, but when the plo hijacked and blew up 3 civilian planes, Hussein had enough and defeated and ejected same Palestinians.

    Their next port of call was Lebanon, until now a peaceful liberal M East country with diverse populations of Druze, Sunni, Shia and Maronite Christians living contentedly side by side.

    All that changed with the arrival of the Palestinians. Their arrival tilted the demographics in favor of muslims and led to a 15 yr long civil war between the Maromite Christians and the newly arrived Palestinians .. 150,000 people died in the conflict and there was a mass exodus of Lebanese Christians from the country. So far, so good to form. The Lebanese army were finally able to kick them out after the battle of Sidon, 1991.

    When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1990, plo's Yasser arafat gave his full support. This seriously pissed off the other gulf states who had sheltered and supported the Palestinians in their hour of need and rightly felt stabbed in the back.

    Lols .. they just do not wanna play ball, do they

    And Egypt is reluctant to take in Palestinian refugees simply because they cannot trust them not to join forces with the muslim brotherhood and seek to overthrow Sisi's government. Where'd he get that idea from ?

    I guess one positive when they come over to Ireland is that they might try to overthrow our treasonous Irish government. Turf em out on their ear

    Then we could launch missiles at Israel from Dublin bay over barbies on the weekends ..

    even have Mick Flatley and the Riverdance crew (live) dancin up a storm just like in that Israeli video.

    This is what the Irish taxpayer wants. We just don't know it



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,162 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Have you mentioned to your male colleagues and friends that you believe society would benefit if all Irish males were sent to consent classes?

    That you believe there’s no difference in the way Irish men view women compared to say Afghan or Somalia men?



  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭star61


    Irish Men make up the majority of men living in Ireland. Is this why that is the case?
    The government is doing a lot around consent classes in the secondary schools at the moment.
    Hopefully they are beneficial and it will decrease the number’s.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    I know how social media works. You still have any proof of the claims other in your own words that they might have had an effect. That means you acknowledge they might not and there is no direct proof.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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