BRITISH GENERAL ELECTION - 4TH JULY

As much of a hash the Tory's have made things… there is a LOT of people who don't want to vote for Labour/Lib Dems/Greens and don't see the point in voting Independent.

They are looking for ANYTHING to keep them with Conservatives…. The military vet vote is MASSIVE… there is also huge disparity between the attitude of teens and young adults compared with the main voting demographic (who quite frankly think youngsters are a waste of space and could do with doing something constructive (***not my opinion)… whether this is enough to sway that is a big question…. I think it will be on what Labour has to offer in return.

Far from strawman… Cadets are part of the military… you can get weapons training at 14 with them, what is the difference between that and a Junior soldier doing similar at 16. Both scenarios they chose to join the military.

There are better arguments for voting at 16 (see SNP's arguments for the Scottish independent referendum).

Then if you really think that is true and if Labour do they have no problem letting the public decide whether its a good policy and putting it to the vote.Note the parties that have proposed this change to the voting age Labour and SNP previously only wanted it to happen because they realise young people liked them at the time.That is why it isn't a good policy because its done purely for the interest of the political parties proposing it

16 in my opinion is far too young to be allowed to vote.They've never had any experience of the real world .

As for the whole fit for work assessments in the UK that are being outsourced

It's happening here too. Medmark is an "independent" ( 🤣 ) review organisation that companies use to argue against employee's GP's when they've been declared unfit for work. Companies use Medmark to effectively neutralise medical opinions and force the employee back into the workplace, regardless of whether they are fit or not, and if the employee refuses to go back, even on the advice of their GP, they can get sanctioned for it, up to and including dismissal.

Medmark, BTW, was set up by Eamon Ryan's brother to tackle teachers, but recently private companies have been getting in on the act too.

Another handy little number on Treasure Ireland.

A national ID card was floated by the Tories and it nearly brought the government down - not going to happen so forcing photo ID is intrinsically undemocratic in the UK.

Which not everyone has - especially the younger voters - which is why this is been discussed - its undemocratic to insist on photo ID when its not compulsory to own photo ID.

Voter fraud was not an issue before this legislation, there is no evidence it was ever an issue in the UK.

The voter surpression will have a significantly bigger impact on elections than voter fraud - which was the point after all.

What issue is it meant to address exactly ? The none issue of voter fraud ?

The intent is to make it more difficult for young people to vote. Job done.

did you ever think that the reason their isn't voter fraud is because having photo ID in order to vote is working.

If their isn't voter fraud then that mean the current systems works and therefore no need to change it at all.

It's been in place for one election.

Then simply apply for Voter Authority cert… they take your pic on the day of application then. No government ID needed. But you do need payslips, NI number, proof of address, verification of ID (sign off by someone)… which someone who is that wary of having a government ID prob won't do/have anyway.

PASS card is accepted too, which is slowly getting intertwined with College and Uni ID cards. ideal for the younger voter who really wants to vote. If not already issued, takes 2 weeks and £15.

Wonder how all these youngin's get into pubs and nightclubs with mandatory ID scans.