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Champions Cup final thread

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    #722
    dockysher
    Registered Users Posts: 372 ✭✭dockysher


    Now connacht to win in Dublin on Friday.



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    #723
    TheRona
    Registered Users Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭TheRona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122184722#Comment_122184722

    Yeah, I'm sure you can probably find me moaning about rucks during the last World Cup. Are you assuming I'm some biased Leinster fan?



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    #724
    TRC10
    Registered Users Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭TRC10


    All of the Dupont/Gibson-Park comparisons pre-game look a bit silly now



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    #725
    Shehal
    Registered Users Posts: 2,686 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Ngl one of the biggest kicks I get from this game is twitter in England,Scotland & Wales. We live in there head so much is bordering on creepy 😂



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    #726
    Shank Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 363 ✭✭Shank Williams


    Revelling in your rivals failures is a big part of what makes sport enjoyable be it the next parish over or a rival province/country

    The superiority complex of the lads who profess to be above all that is nauseating- trying to paint themselves as enlightened beings, your embarrassing yourselves

    Mod: Attack the post not the poster.

    Post edited by aloooof on


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    #727
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,571 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122184872#Comment_122184872

    I dont think there would be many Toulouse fans complaining about the formation of rucks this morning



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    #728
    awec
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122184902#Comment_122184902

    not really. Toulouse did a great job of targeting JGP, a much better job than Leinster did on Dupont.

    Even when JGP got the ball out of the ruck he was targeted, a few times they got to him before he could even make his pass.



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    #729
    swiwi_
    Registered Users Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    And they say Kiwis whine about refs…

    Carley is never top class but he is not biased. There were some poor calls. Both ways.



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    #730
    Dont Be at It
    Registered Users Posts: 409 ✭✭Dont Be at It


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122184389#Comment_122184389

    100%.. What I was getting at in an earlier post. They'll play pretty much the same way against zebre as they did against Toulouse. No apparent understanding of the level of the opposition or the stage being played on.

    If they're kicking even 80% of the pens on offer they'd be racheting up a nice points tally.

    Also what is the point of having Byrne at 10 if your main game plan isn't going to revolve around kicking points. He offers nothing in general play and frawley should be starting if the plan is to go for tries.



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    #731
    No_Neck_Damian
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭No_Neck_Damian


    I'm a Connacht man so don't really care about any Munster/Leinster rivalry but I am delighted Toulouse won.

    I'm sick of the circlejerk over Irish rugby.

    All this talk of 'big Joe McCarthy', the 'Nienaber line speed' etc. and the commentary bias towards Leinster would drive you up the wall.

    "That's forward!" Donal Lenihan spits out as Toulouse break through for their try.

    "That's clearly a try!!!" Hugh Cahill asserts despite it needing multiple looks at the TMO as there was possibly a hand underneath the ball. Heaslip at the end of full time and half time of ET was like "Leinster's superior fitness should see them through this"

    Was absolutely delighted to see the depressed head on Heaslip after the game.

    Perhaps, just perhaps, our players are not as good as we're always told. Doris with a stupid knock on in the world cup cost us. He cost them with a stupid penalty again yesterday.

    Even when Leinster were just about in it if they got a try, Van Der Flier knocks it on in contact.



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    #732
    Clegg
    Registered Users Posts: 17,141 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Begrudgery isn't an uniquely Irish trait. But it manifests very strongly here.



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    #733
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,571 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122185076#Comment_122185076

    Im pretty much in the same boat as this.

    There seems to be a massive avoidance of criticism of players and management by the Irish media, they wont call out anything in case it puts their precious press pass in jeopardy, its bordering on the emperors new clothes at times.
    When etzebeth came out saying how players spoke to him after the SA game it was dismissed outright by sections of the Irish media instead of confirming with the players on it. They should have been asked about it.

    When sexton was allowed to remain on the field for 80 mins in the RWC QF nobody questioned the stupidity of that decision.

    The independent has frawley post game on the front of the sports pages, now can anyone point to me what frawley has shown EVER in the OH position to suggest he is the player to have on the bench for the closing stages of a HCUP game. The fact that people think he is better than byrne might be true, but nobody can point to evidence to say he is good enough to lead a team at ten over the line in a final.

    Maybe the rugby story of the year is allowing Joey Carbery go to france where he will be outside the Irish system instead of being signed by Leinster. If i was a leinster fan i would prefer joey to every other 10 currently on the books.

    There are times the Irish media have stuck a microphone into GAA managers faces at the end of a game and asked if they were going to consider their position, surely someone should be asking Leo if he is considering his position after consistent failure over the last few years. Can he be trusted to do any better with RG snyman and barrett in the side?



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    #734
    breffni bogballer
    Registered Users Posts: 618 ✭✭✭breffni bogballer


    Well put Larry, the most sensible post I've read



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    #735
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,278 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122184499#Comment_122184499

    Who else do you despise? Do you hate Munster for singing a Connacht song at their matches?

    Or is it a case where you just don't like teams that win a lot?

    You certainly don't reflect the opinions and amount of respect the majority of Connect fabs have for all Irish teams.

    What I'd hate is to be anywhere near you at a match.



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    #736
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,278 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122184923#Comment_122184923

    You in your own head are coming up with this enlightened beings thoughts. Nobody that I know thinks like that.

    The history of rugby in this country is to respect everybody.

    We are trying to keep it that way. In mini-rugby if you verbally abuse an opponent your game is over for the day and it has to be reported to the children's officer.

    The game is about respect. That starts in your own club with respecting your own teammates and continues when you play against other clubs and that should be the case in the stands as well.

    Isn't it amazing that under 10 kids show respect for their opposition but some adults don't?

    Maybe we need to have something similar to mini-rugby for new age fans.



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    #737
    Ruginator
    Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭Ruginator


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122185076#Comment_122185076

    Fantastic post !!!!!!



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    #738
    StevenToast
    Registered Users Posts: 3,546 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122185076#Comment_122185076

    This post reads like a breath of fresh air....

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



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    #739
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,534 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122184499#Comment_122184499

    I feel for you... being a Connacht fan. Not because it's Connacht but, more because you've no chance of silverware. Especially with the guts of the squad being Leinster players. It must be awful cheering on all those private south Dublin school players.

    Mod: Warned.

    Post edited by Cookiemunster on


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    #740
    fitzgea1
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    I don't get this narrative that it's only newer rugby supporters that want their rivals to lose. It really isn't, I'd say it's the opposite if anything.

    Plus if doesn't equate to a lack of respect. I was happy Toulouse won, doesn't mean I don't respect Leinster



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    #741
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,423 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    I don't know any French fans who didn't want Toulouse to win. I'm sure there are some, I've just never met them.



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    #742
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,571 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122185694#Comment_122185694

    Two things, maybe they hate leinster more or you should try asking some castres fans



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    #743
    ElisaAtWar
    Registered Users Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122185694#Comment_122185694

    TBF there is a sense of begrudgery in Irish rugby. Provincial supporters wish only for a feeling of a degree of equality. If you were a Leinster fan you would say that our incubation of players far exceeds the quality of the incubation levels of the other provinces. So we deserve all that we receive.

    And that's a fair argument. But look at it from another perspective. So Leinster is effectively Ireland. But you have a fundamental problem. Many of the Leinster up and coming will not get enough game time in the bigger games to develop.

    And the provinces are crying out for these players to give them just that.

    If the IRFU cannot see this then they are blind.

    And what worries me the most is that Leinster this year looks short of ideas, in which case the future of the Irish team looks questionable.

    Which brings me back to the concept of dispersing players throughout the provinces. Using this model allows players to develop.

    As for the hate posts against Leinster, well that serves nothing. For me the game yesterday was about watching probably the two best rugby teams in the world doing battle and Toulouse, and the referee did his best to keep it flowing, were the better team



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    #744
    CardMagic
    Registered Users Posts: 6 ✭CardMagic


    The problem with dispersing talent is that there is no incentive for Leinster (or anyone) to produce players. The money is better spent on recruiting.

    I know people give out about the central contracts but in a competitive league, Leinster are missing more than half their team for half the season. I think you do need to create good incentives for provinces to produce players. If Leinster got no financial support and had to give away half their internationals, then you are just better off doing none of the devolopment and taking your share of internationals. Resources at underage and club level is completely up for discussion.

    I'm surprised at the outrage over Snyman and Barret to be honest. Next year Munster and Leinster will both have 1 SA SR and one NZ centre. JB an international but 6 month deal. Munster also taking two connacht starters and one ulster starter. Socialising of resources should extended to other provinces as well as Leinster.

    One thing people aren't talking about is how Irish provinces lose to English clubs dissolving. It concentrates talent for English and French clubs. I think had Worcester, wasps, London Irish survived, you probably don't see likes of Willis Kinghorn Chocobares at Toulouse. No complaints about it but maybe it is a reason to think about allowing 4 NIQ players? Other teams will just be stronger with that excess talent



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    #745
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,423 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122185837#Comment_122185837

    I don't see why they'd hate Leinster, tbh. They just support the French team, be it Toulon, La Rochelle, Bordeaux, Toulouse.

    I've never met a Castres fan. I wouldn't know where to look for one. Doubt they'd know what the European Cup is either.



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    #746
    ulsteru20s
    Registered Users Posts: 2,531 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122186009#Comment_122186009

    I hate the idea of forcibly dispersing talent.

    However, leinster are motivated to develop their own talent because its generally the only way for irish teams to get elite talent beyond 3 NIQs.

    You have no choice either way.

    I think 4 or 5 NIQs per team with some very simple rules would be a way better system.



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    #747
    CuriousCucumber
    Registered Users Posts: 246 ✭✭CuriousCucumber


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122185249#Comment_122185249

    Nah, I like Munster and Ulster. Just Leinster and lots of their fans I don't like.

    I say this, as someone who had a Leinster season ticket in 2008/2009.

    Their sense of entitlement, and ability to patrionize sickens me.

    Its really telling, how Leinster fans are upset that people don't support their team

    Post edited by CuriousCucumber on


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    #748
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,409 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122184917#Comment_122184917

    This is why other supporters don't want Leinster to win.

    Because when Leinster win, A significant number of their 'fans' don't accept the win graciously, they rub it in the faces of all the other provinces.

    When you want to win, because it makes you feel superior to other provinces, then it's completely ok for the other provinces fans to want you to lose to deny you that



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    #749
    ElisaAtWar
    Registered Users Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122186241#Comment_122186241

    Learn English Curious Cucumber. Patrionism. And feic off. Your Connacht viewpoint does not reflect my Connacht viewpoint.



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