Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

Where have they said ‘opposition won’t be tolerated’?

I don’t know if it is. Does it seem any worse than the failed attempts of government = no.

You were posting false info and had to be corrected on the detail by the way.

No riddle in what I asked Finty to back up

Will still be voting Green ahead of either of them.

How many, fed up with failed housing policy and plan after failed plan would return here if the FF FG (the architects of the repeated failure) were not leading a government here?

Ok let's look at those:
Civil War: Started by original sinn fein, splitting into two factions, over 100 years ago. The remnants of those two factions are in government together now. Not an issue.

Homelessness: This is an issue everywhere, and we support the business of homelessness as well as any other democratic country

Health Crisis: We fund the HSE per capita higher than many other states. Indeed, it is my understanding that we pay more than the UK does per capita. Not sure what else you want the government to do here.

Recession: Ah yes, the global recession. I'm sure, over 15 years ago, Bertie was over causing Lehman to fail.

Rise of the far right: Now we don't have this, however there is a rational challenge being made to unvetted immigration. The current immigration policies are actually one of the reasons I wouldn't vote for FFFG again, but, SF and the opposition champion the same or worse re immigration. I saw a funny slogan at an anti SF event, "SF = Brits Out, everyone else in".

TLDR: If I were, and I'm not, a party member of FFG and wanted to reflect on legacy since 2011 for FG and since confidence and supply for FF, I'd be pretty happy. We came from a poor enough start in the aftermath of the GFC in 2011, back to prosperity.

Civil War: Started by original sinn fein, splitting into two factions, over 100 years ago. The remnants of those two factions are in government together now. Not an issue.

Legacy of murdered civilians then

Homelessness: This is an issue everywhere, and we support the business of homelessness as well as any other democratic country

Increasing every month, I believe it's currently at 13,000 homeless in our country?

Health Crisis: We fund the HSE per capita higher than many other states. Indeed, it is my understanding that we pay more than the UK does per capita. Not sure what else you want the government to do here.

As a Limerick man I am horrified by this comment. We used to have 4 fully functioning A&E's in our area. UHL, St.Johns, Nenagh and Ennis. We now have one because FFG closed the other 3. UHL was recently described as a "war zone" in a recent inquest you might recall. The people of Limerick are actually afraid of their lives of going to their local A&E. Yet FFG reward our failed health ministers by making them Taoiseach. Simply not good enough whatever way you dress it up

Recession: Ah yes, the global recession. I'm sure, over 15 years ago, Bertie was over causing Lehman to fail.

To be very specific to how this country was managed at the time. We bailed out our banks and continued to pay for unsecured bondholders. While, at the same time standing over job cuts, wage cuts, and taxing our own people to much higher levels. Also see the closure of A&E's in the Limerick area which was seen as vital to balancing the books. While the elite of this country were alright, some of us were watching our kids and grandkids set sail for Canada, Australia, etc etc purely because there was no jobs here for them.

Rise of the far right: Now we don't have this, however there is a rational challenge being made to unvetted immigration. The current immigration policies are actually one of the reasons I wouldn't vote for FFFG again, but, SF and the opposition champion the same or worse re immigration. I saw a funny slogan at an anti SF event, "SF = Brits Out, everyone else in".

There is very sensible debates happening among many about the levels of Asylum seekers and immigrants. There is also people in balaclavas protesting outside politicians homes and buildings earmarked for international protection applicants being set on fire. We're literally one stage away from having a Jo Cox moment over here. What's the governments response to this?

"Legacy of murdered civilians then"… Yes, from Sinn Fein.

Which side of the civil war did Sinn Fein represent? Pro or Anti Treaty?

My sister in law was homeless in the last 2 years. Received a house via HAP within 3 months of registering. Can't be that bad.

As of March 2024, 13,866 people were accessing emergency accommodation in Ireland

https://homelessnessinireland.ie/

What would you like to do? We spend more per capita on health than most countries.

At a guess, I'd say the amount that is being spent on healthcare isn't the problem, or indeed the solution. I'm not saying I have the answer, I'm not even saying SF have the answer. But I'm certain that FF, FG, Labour and the Greens don't have it either.

We bailed out the banks because it was a requirement to receive funding and cash flow from the IMF. I don't think people realise how badly we were hit by the GFC as it coincided with our domestic boom

I know fully well how we were hit by the Global Financial Crisis. I lost my job at a time when I had to contend with a child on the way. The years ahead were difficult, we had banks (the ones we bailed out) not wanting to lend, the civil/public service not employing (unless you were in the know) and the department of social welfare treating us like criminals. While the actual criminals were off on their yachts in the Caribbean

There isnt a sensible debate though, when the government and main opposition are pro increased immigration without any changes, there's no voice for those opposed to it. This is one area where I disagree with FFG. The lack of a sensible debate and a sense of plowing ahead regardless is what leads to fear and the protests. I don't agree with criminal damage obviously but I understand (and agree) with the emotion behind it.

There's plenty of sensible, mainly independent, voices for those opposed to the increased migration, I suspect this is why they have been growing in popularity. Problem is they are regularly overshadowed by the misinformation, petrol bombs and violence that this govt seems content on not stopping

TL;DR

This government have no intention of fixing anything that is wrong in our country. I'm not saying SF definitely do, maybe they don't but I'd be willing to give them a chance.

(Sorry.. I'm not as au fait with the new fangled boards site and I couldn't do the fancy embedded quote replies that you did!!_

There's no apology needed on that one!

The political legacy of Sinn Fein is murdered civilians.

Those murdered civilians were during the civil war, where strictly speaking SF were both sides. Pro treaty SF and anti treaty SF. Those both changed name to C Na G (later FG) and FF respectively. But they were also later, during the rise of various spinoff sinn fein groups, with no real link to the 1918-21 SF, in the late 60s onwards until after various splinters, peace was reached in 1998, but real provisional republican insert adjective here sinn fein continue to perpetrate violence and thuggery even today.

Other parties can point to other achievements. Whether it is Ardnacrusha back in the 1930s or the Custom House Docks Scheme, FF can point to positive contributions. FG can point to various referenda introduced to modernise the Constitution. Those are only small examples.

With Sinn Fein, other than murdering civilians, and then stopping murdering civilians, do they have any political legacy?

Plenty of things up north, such as the Good Friday Agreement but not down here as they have always been in opposition. So while they have been supporters of things like womens rights and gay rights it is fair to say small things like proposing referendums don't really come into the scope

Likewise they haven't created the housing and health crises that we are currently living through. They had a lot of good ideas around the last recession like taxing those who had money more than those who didn't but again being in opposition they couldn't get it through

The Good Friday Agreement was an international agreement between two governments, brokered by John Hume. There are about twenty people who can claim it as a legacy ahead of anyone from SF.

Maybe you could list the "achievements" of SF.

You could include some examples from their time in charge of Dublin City Council.

Well councils by their nature are pretty quiet and don't have much power to change things but if I was to list achievements of Dublin City Council they did fly the palestinian flag over city hall last december and they did pass a motion to protect libraries from anti-LGBTQ+ protests. I'm not sure if they have much control over hospitals but I'd rather be in St James's than in UHL if I was sick.

So bad that you'd be fearful of getting sick because of what the hospital might do to you. That's the FFG legacy

The GFA wasn't done the day it was signed blackwhite. There was a lot of water yet to flow under that bridge. Not least the reforms it ushered in.
You are entitled to your opinion that they have no legacy of achievement but as their growth shows, that is just an opinion, a curmudgeonly and rather bitter opinion at that.

Wrong again.
I gave an alternate view/opinion of what blanch had an opinion on. The function of the word 'or' here.

Or…John Hume made several attempts at brokering a solution and failed and it was only when he went on a solo run from his party, the SDLP and created an initiative called the Hume-Adams initiative that a workable solution was found.