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Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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    #36902
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122191116#Comment_122191116

    Another strawman. Even for Boards this must be some sort of record, every single post you make is filled with them.



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    #36903
    Sudden Valley
    Registered Users Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Perhaps there will be a breakthrough on the pro israeli side that they are supporting the killing of innocent civilians, even young kids, that has been condemned by as many international bodies as Russia and that they don't seem to any closer to getting rid of Hamas.



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    #36904
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,465 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122191128#Comment_122191128

    One other notable thing about this horrific event is that the Israeli public are fully aware it happened, that the IDF were responsible and that the state has been condemned by the international community, including Macron. They can't claim any ignorance or that they weren't informed.



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    #36905
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,801 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I see we're back to the belief that Israel are not commiting genocide because of a population increase in Gaza. (Hard to imagine they are conducting a door to door census for the 2024 figure)

    I wish people would educate themselves on what genocide actually is, same for antisemitism.



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    #36906
    concerned_tenant
    Registered Users Posts: 753 ✭✭✭concerned_tenant


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122191158#Comment_122191158

    Can you outline what you consider an acceptable, proportional response should look like?

    What does that ideal ratio look like, too?



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    #36907
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122191171#Comment_122191171

    Off the top of my head? Not deliberately targeting civilians, not bombing refugee camps, not bombing hospitals, not destroying all universities in the area, not deliberately targeting and destroying large numbers of schools in Gaza, not killing aid workers, not deliberately killing unprecedented numbers of journalists. That's just a start but I'm sure you'll be right back with excuses why all of this is perfectly fine.



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    #36908
    Weepsie
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,306 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122191171#Comment_122191171

    They could have started with Hamas leadership whom Netanyahu seemed to have the ear of for a long time. Cut the head off so to speak. But nope indiscriminately bomb Gaza.

    And we have not even got to the west bank, plenty being killed there. Hamas are not operating there. No secret tunnels there either.

    They precisely targeted 17 civilians in January with an airstrike and then pretended they were terrorists. These were civilians with permits to travel into Israel, civilians who had been checked thoroughly and vetted yet they were killed with an uncanny precision that they have never shown in Gaza. Now it's not at the level of Gaza, but the west bank is very densely populated too.



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    #36909
    Weepsie
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,306 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122191189#Comment_122191189

    Let's add not cutting off all water supplies, electricity supplies including destroying power producing facilities, blockading aid and stopping it from reaching people, starving 2 million people.

    Let's not forget that gaza now has more people per head of population considered to be at the worst point of starvation (basically on the brink of death or forever live changing) than anywhere else in the world. This happened in less than 4 months.

    This is siege tactics. This is medieval. This is a government who is out to punish every single person in Gaza



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    #36910
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122191224#Comment_122191224

    I'm still waiting for a rehash of the 'perfectly normal, happens here all the time' arguments.



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    #36911
    Furze99
    Registered Users Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Has Netanyahu lost his marbles altogether? He surely doesn't expect the civilised word to believe him. So why make some mealy mouthed sort of apology for blasting a refugee camp, when he knows everyone will despise & disbelieve him for it? Is he so out of touch that he doesn't realise how utterly foolish that is??



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    #36912
    Weepsie
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,306 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122191236#Comment_122191236

    Like strip searches. That was a good one quickly debunked



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    #36913
    ToweringPerformance
    Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    Wow that report on Sky News at 9 is hard to take.

    Shame on all those who support Israel and their murderous leaders.



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    #36914
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users Posts: 3,033 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122191356#Comment_122191356

    Well Hamas does their best to kill as many their own people as possible...



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    #36915
    concerned_tenant
    Registered Users Posts: 753 ✭✭✭concerned_tenant


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122191420#Comment_122191420

    In the end, Israel is targeting Gaza from a military perspective — yes — but if they wanted to commit genocide and eliminate the entire population, they could do that if they wanted. But they aren't.

    We're not seeing a concerted campaign to eliminate the Gazan population. We're seeing a concerted military campaign which, like all military campaigns, incurs civilian loss — and that loss of civilian life is regrettable, as it is in all just wars.

    To take just one example (of many possible examples); a blockade exists not to starve the Gazan population, but because before that blockade existed, Hamas was smuggling weapons into the territory. Israel had to respond because those weapons were being used to target Israeli cities and towns and civilians.

    Look, Israel doesn't get everything right. No country could, given their circumstances. But Israel is held to a higher standard than any other country would in the same circumstances.

    If Ireland experienced October 7 from an Islamist terror organization in the north of the country, would we really be shy about wanting to eliminate that organization — even if it meant some degree of civilian loss?



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    #36916
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,465 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    If Israel is merely trying to eliminate Hamas, why would they now be defying the ICC and ICJ and running the risk of Netanyahu being put on trial as a war criminal? Has anyone ever been falsely accused of war crimes by an international court?



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    #36917
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122191465#Comment_122191465

    If your argument actually is 'if Israel wanted to engage in genocide they would just do it', that is predicated on the fact that you seemingly believe that Israel is capable of actually committing genocide. At any point does it not occur to you that maybe, just maybe, you're setting your stall out on the wrong side of history?



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    #36918
    Weepsie
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,306 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122191465#Comment_122191465

    You're now just ignoring all evidence of the contrary which does not surprise me given it has twigged who you used to post as.

    This is not a war. This is a mass slaughter.

    You are then just inventing scenarios. Another tactic you used to do.



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    #36919
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,345 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190829#Comment_122190829

    Unfortunately, we have been learning that it is perfectly possible to conduct war against innocent women and kids without accidentally hitting a fella that might plausibly look like he was in Hamas as a cover story too.

    Spare a thought for the poor IDF. Spending all night loading up missiles and carefully selecting tents of people to blow to smithereens - "don't worry lads, surely we can pretend there was a tunnel nearby or something" only for them to find out there was no tunnel there post facto



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    #36920
    threeball
    Registered Users Posts: 8,076 ✭✭✭threeball


    Anyone watching C4 Dispatches - Kill zone. Absolutely disgraceful. All I can say is fcuk any isreali who supports this or any muppet in any part of the world who acts as an apologist for it.

    They'll roll out the propagandists on Sky and CNN lying through their teeth but pictures of children blown to bits don't lie.

    No better than the Nazis they use to explain away every atrocity they commit.



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    #36921
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,090 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122191524#Comment_122191524

    Twaddle.

    The Chinese can do whatever they want because they have a seat and veto on the UNSC.



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    #36922
    concerned_tenant
    Registered Users Posts: 753 ✭✭✭concerned_tenant


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122191536#Comment_122191536

    Where are the weekly protests?

    In China, it's genocide in action. Israel is targeted because of who they are, not because of what they do.



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    #36923
    ted1
    Registered Users Posts: 23,491 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190769#Comment_122190769

    bit of a oxymoron, guilt is proven in courts.

    No one has been to court from Palestine in relation to events between 7 oct and now



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    #36924
    Francie Barrett
    Registered Users Posts: 16,556 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190318#Comment_122190318

    I think the war has proceeded more difficultly than the Israeli's anticipated. I have to admit I thought that organised resistance would have ended by now and that we would be in a lower-level insurgency mode. But that doesn't really change anything. If it takes longer and is more costly then anticipated, Israel will have no choice but to end this on terms favourable to them.

    If this war ends with Hamas remaining in power, that's a defeat for Israel. Not only that, but it would demonstrate Israel isn't as strong as what people thought. It would only be a matter of time until Hezbollah, Iran, the Houthi's, et al would try to attack again.



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    #36925
    SpoonyMcSpoon
    Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭SpoonyMcSpoon


    In all honesty, good riddance to any Israel business and if Israeli-sympathisers cannot see the nuance in Ireland’s position, crying out anti-semitism and threatening to pull money from the country; then off they go.

    Big tech, pharma and finance all have Israeli dual-passport holders in senior positions but they will learn that threats to Ireland will likely cause the opposite reaction to that they are seeking when it comes to trying to turn public support to Goliath instead of David.

    Absolutely delighted to see that horrid Dana Erlich out of the country.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/taoiseach-says-israeli-ambassadors-warning-about-tech-impact-for-ireland-is-a-distraction-as-prospect-of-eu-sanctions-discussed/a358514572.html



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    #36926
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,090 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122191560#Comment_122191560

    Israel are targeted because of what they do. "But what about…." doesn't cut it.



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    #36927
    concerned_tenant
    Registered Users Posts: 753 ✭✭✭concerned_tenant


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122191607#Comment_122191607

    If this war ends with Hamas remaining in power, that's a defeat for Israel. Not only that, but it would demonstrate Israel isn't as strong as what people thought. It would only be a matter of time until Hezbollah, Iran, the Houthi's, et al would try to attack again.

    That outcome cannot be allowed to exist, literally.

    These Islamist extremist organizations are the absolute scum of the Earth. What I cannot fathom is how they are condemned when they commit atrocities in Paris and London and Manchester, but in Israel they are considered "freedom fighters".

    How utterly embarrassing.



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    #36928
    Weepsie
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,306 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122191524#Comment_122191524

    I've not attempted to minimize or justify October 7th, I've given it some context and listed just some of the many, many acts of violence committed by the state of israel against ordinary palestinian civilians.

    China has had economic sanctions against it for its crimes. Same as Myanmar. So stop and for all your complete and utter bullshit. They have had plenty of condemnation too. There are plenty of boycotts on goods that exist and guess what, there is rampant sinophobhia out there too.

    Israel has not had one economic sanction. They have killed 10s of thousands of people and not one sanction. They have for decades illegally stole land and not one sanction. (Sanctions against settler recently)

    You simply don't grasp what antisemitism is if this is your take. And you should be very careful about your take given some of the absolutely racist drivel you've posted in the past.



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    #36929
    pjohnson
    Registered Users Posts: 23,492 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122191516#Comment_122191516

    I remember when pictures of Shani Louk weren't lying either.



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    #36930
    concerned_tenant
    Registered Users Posts: 753 ✭✭✭concerned_tenant


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122191631#Comment_122191631

    No, I'm absolutely certain that anti-Jewish racism is responsible for the hysteria with Israel as opposed to any other country in the world.

    China and its disgusting policy of Muslim genocide; it's almost treated as a bureaucratic issue by the same people — but Israel, all emotions go 10 out of 10. Full blast and beyond. Hatred beyond hatred. They literally love hating, hating, hating Israel. They cannot stop it. It's an obsession.

    It's obvious to anyone, objectively speaking at least, to know what the primary cause of the hysteria is.



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    #36931
    Weepsie
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,306 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122191621#Comment_122191621

    Again, most people absolutely condemn Hamas and October 7th, but let's give it some **** context. Attacks on France, UK etc by Islamist terrorists are somewhat different to attacks on a colonial oppressor and de facto occupying power, even if it is by a terror organisation. If you can't see how they are different (and this is not a defence of them, all should be abhorred) then that's a further display of your complete ignorance.

    Good to see that you dresss things up as well in my opinion....but you have **** all facts to back anything up as ever.



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