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Increase in Anti-EV Media Articles

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,856 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Ashford motors have or had a porche EV for sale at an inflated price and it was not selling, surprise surprise.

    There are big into social media and click bait.

    It's really a big hype of lies and free airtime as advertisement for a motor dealer. Even the person themselves admitted exaggeration and not to take them too seriously. They specialise in high performance cars abd have lots of non EVs to shift in a high interest rate market that is quiet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭boetstark


    It's not just Ashford motors. I could list at least 5 large garages that refuse Ev motors.

    As I said like ev's. We had one but the residual values are a lottery.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,051 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    I don't think we've seen an increase in people working from home since this time last year, just as we haven't seen a significant change in the split of dwelling types. Your point about prices being higher for EVs than people would have spent for new cars is somewhat mute when we are talking about new market share. The bestselling car this year is a model that starts at €40,000. If your theory was correct, we'd see a drop in all drivetrains.

    I think you give far too much value to the ignorance of the Irish public that they haven't been influenced by the significant number of media articles that have been attacking EVs it's a bid to sell papers. The whole point of fud is to make people uncertain and to stick with what they know. The numbers show that it appears to be working.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,593 ✭✭✭pah




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    The media, particularly with social media sites, love click bait articles that draw attention. You only have to ask someone about an EV, and you'll get the same old tropes. The cost of replacing a battery, the fires, the range, the tyres, charging. All nonsense stuff that media outlets love rehashing as it engages people and there are lots of people who will believe any old crap and regurgitate it as fact. Its not one article, its lots of misinformation and ridiculous articles, and on social media lots of inaccurate memes or "facts on a fancy picture". That all combines to one big fud.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭Gerrymandering reborn


    I think another problem is that EVs do not provide any real advantages over an ICE for the average consumer. People want to be 'climate conscious' and are hence choosing hybrids

    Obviously EVs are the best solution for a lot of people. But they are not the best and only solution for the rest of people. It seems EVs do not have the 'one size fits all' effect that was once anticipated despite many technological improvements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,612 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I’ll put my hand up and say I’m not subject to those videos or whatever on social media so I’ll take your word for it.

    One thing I’ve noticed though in recent years before say Covid-the amount of 4x4 looking yokes on the road- the Skodas Hyundais and Kia’s no less VWs - there’s been an explosion of these cars and now even the micras and polos are all raised platforms high ride yokes - leaving aside the ID4 would I be correct in saying that so far, there isn’t a huge selection of these type of cars in EV equivalent?



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    One thing that I haven't really seen in the news is that from 2025 the road transport fuel usage will have to be tracked and from 2028 at the latest, but probably aleady from 2027, the carbon credits are required to be purchased for all the fuel used by the transport sector. This levels the playing field with electricity for which this is already in place:

    https://climate.ec.europa.eu/eu-action/eu-emissions-trading-system-eu-ets/ets2-buildings-road-transport-and-additional-sectors_en

    This will also affect home heating bills.

    I can only imagine the cries from the people whose 2024 ICE will be targeted by the greens and the FF. "We were not told."



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,563 ✭✭✭eagerv


    One thing I’ve noticed though in recent years before say Covid-the
    amount of 4x4 looking yokes on the road- the Skodas Hyundais and Kia’s
    no less VWs - there’s been an explosion of these cars and now even the
    micras and polos are all raised platforms high ride yokes - leaving
    aside the ID4 would I be correct in saying that so far, there isn’t a
    huge selection of these type of cars in EV equivalent?

    Most EVs I see on the road are high looking yokes, whether at the cheaper end MG, BYD etc or mid/higher end such as Enyaq, Model Y, BMW, Volvo, Merc etc. And most coming are similar, Volvo, Renault etc.

    Very few 'normal' lower hatchbacks and saloons such as Model 3, Seal, etc.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,715 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    No, I’d say you’re incorrect tbh.

    Kia eNiro

    ID4

    Model Y

    Kona

    MG ZS

    Mini EX

    iX

    Mercedes

    Enyaq

    BZ4X (or whatever that’s called)

    Subaru EV

    To name but a few if looking higher up yokes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I disagree with you. There's a whole range of advantages of an EV for the "average consumer".

    But it's up to consumers to figure that out for themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭mailforkev


    I’m an average consumer, who now has two EVs. Sure, I like the climate stuff but it wasn’t a key driver for me.

    The very real advantages to me include that it costs buttons to fill them up, a filling station in my driveway, cheaper motor tax, cheaper insurance, quicker acceleration, lots of gadgets and technology, and a nice smooth relaxing drive. Absolute no-brainer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭Bovakinn


    I would have said that the average consumer would get the most advantages out of an EV.
    Never having to stop to "fill up", preconditioning the cabin on warm and cold days, a quieter and smoother driving experience, less maintenance, etc.

    Unless the average consumer is the person who does 1000km every day without stopping that we keep hearing about online.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭yagan


    BYD will be launching hybrid PHEV in europe soon so all the tech without the FUD anxieties. I didn't know this but supposedly BYD were the first car maker with PHEV.

    https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-markets/transport-logistics/new-byd-hybrid-can-drive-non-stop-more-2000-kilometres

    BYD unveiled a new hybrid powertrain capable of travelling more than 2,000 kilometres without recharging or refuelling, intensifying the electric vehicle (EV) transition war against Toyota Motor and Volkswagen.

    The upgraded tech, which aims to put more distance between BYD and its legacy rivals, will be launched in two sedans immediately that cost under 100,000 yuan (S$19,013), the automaker said at an event live-streamed from China on Tuesday (May 28) evening.

    The longer range means some of BYD’s dual-mode plug-in electric hybrid cars can cover the equivalent of Singapore to Bangkok, New York to Miami or Munich to Madrid on a single charge and a full tank of gas. The milestone marks BYD’s latest achievement in slashing fuel consumption since debuting hybrids in 2008.

    I'd ignore the 2.000 Klm range as business websights always tend to overexaggerate to get attention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,596 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Surprising move. Considering Europe is going down the All-Electric route at the moment, can't see them selling many of them here anyway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭yagan


    Are European car makers going all EV though? They've still plenty of ICE models with EV versions like the Dacia Spring, but I reckon the likes of VW might be blindsided by consumers getting more bang for their buck with a BYD PHEV as an gateway towards eventual EV ubiquity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,596 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    No, the car makers are dragging their heels as per usual, I recon it's just that they hate change. But the EU and the UK will be rid of new non-BEV sales in just 10.5 years time. I presume this hybird model is at least 2 years away meaning BYD will have just 8.5 years of sales at a maximum



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭yagan


    If the EU had worked was working with the likes of Lidl/Aldi and other supermarkets to install chargers in all their car parks by 2034 I'd believe you, but otherwise I doubt it.

    Having hybrids replace diesels entirely by then is very achievable though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,596 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Apologies, your comment is a bit confusing… What exactly do you not believe? The bit about new ICE car sales ending in 2035? That's european law. In order to roll back on that they would need consensus from the commission and I think it would also need to go through the parliament, who are fairly set on it. I agree there's not enough work being done on it though at a legislative level but it is coming



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I'd say manufacturers have to respond to customer demand. If that demands is defaulting to hybrids due to mixed messages from Govt and the media. Manufacturers have to follow what's trending.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,596 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Yeah and I guess they could always sell them here for 8 years and elsewhere after that point



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,051 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    More likely you'll see the media messaging tightening up as manufacturers move consumer sentiment towards the cars they need to sell. There isn't a single seller of cars in Europe that needs to sell more EVs in 2024. Plenty of them will need to sell more in 2025.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,665 ✭✭✭traco


    As an outright petrol head I think the amount of nonsense that is being leaked into the average persons psyche is amazing. They hear stories and tales of someone that knew someone etc etc and the stories grow legs. Many people like to think they "know more / better" are "too smart" to be caught with EVs the same way as diesels are now toxic even though a modern blue efficiency diesel is very clean compared to older gens.

    At this stage I don't bother correcting people anymore as its their loss. As I said I am a petrol head with a V12 Twin Turbo monster and a flat six mid engine plaything and a diesel long distance work hack but for 99% of the household usage Mrs Tracos EV is the perfect machine.

    Unfortunately most people won't do any independent research and analysis and the media just wants clicks. I believe a certain high profile cars sales person was on yetserday or today moaning that BMW wanted 42k for the hybrid system in an i8. Again just more profiling and clicks. Thats the system and if you see it for what it is you can just filter all that out and for those that dodn't it leaves chargers under less pressure for the rest of us the odd time we need them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭yagan


    EU targets get missed all the time, and there's no way EU nations will help rivals from other blocs kill off EU industry.

    EU laws change as the facts change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,596 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Yeah but this one has gained so much momentum and copycat laws around the world it would be a huge embarrassment to roll it back. I can see Labour leading in the UK next month, they will definitely keep their target of 2035 (or maybe even bring it back to 2030) Imagine if the EU had to delay their plan while the UK didn't. Major embarrassment!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭yagan


    Copycat laws? Don't follow.

    Embarrassment? It would be far more politically unacceptable in the EU to kill off native industry for some other blocs benefit.

    The UK can barely maintain their road network as is without talking about investment in EV charging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Can only agree with all of this. It's impossible to take any media at face value these days. Or anyone who just echos what sound bites they've heard somewhere else. You have to do your own research. If someone hasn't I've no time for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I don't see any embarrassment in admitting you've overreached and adjusting targets accordingly. That's just life.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,715 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Nadia paid €42k to bmw for repairs yet sits there praising them for it. She should have done some research and went to Vitronix, John Earls or HB Denis instead. I had BMW diagnose a faulty KLE, EME and hearing resistor in a 530e. €17k estimate to repair. Done independently for just under €4k by Vitronix. And the KLE and heater was perfect. It was just the EME!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,593 ✭✭✭pah


    Taken out of context this is exactly what some of the free spirited people I know sound like about the "clot-shot"

    😅



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