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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - threadbans and mod warnings in OP

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    #212
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,375 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122195919#Comment_122195919

    MAGA sound piece tries to go after DeNiro of course. How dare he attack their Dear Leader!

    https://twitter.com/MichelleKinney/status/1795576420309377429

    Imbecile.



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    #213
    duploelabs
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    Remind again, the Republican party is pro life right?

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/nikki-haley-finish-them-bomb-israel-gaza-1235028702/%20



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    #214
    Igotadose
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122195919#Comment_122195919

    Should be must-viewing, especially the statements by Fanone and Dunn. DeNiro nailed it.



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    #215
    Cody montana
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122196413#Comment_122196413

    if he praised trump, he’s be the greatest actor in living history.



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    #216
    pjohnson
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122196413#Comment_122196413

    They are. Beyond parody. Actual negative IQ points at this stage.



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    #217
    Cody montana
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122196417#Comment_122196417

    That’s pretty abhorrent.



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    #218
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122196417#Comment_122196417

    That's utterly disgusting.

    Just shows how removed people are from the situation when they don't realise "them" would be innocent women and children.



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    #219
    Quin_Dub
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    Just in case anyone is still under any illusion of what kind of country the GOP would like the US to become - Tale a look at the latest Party Platform/Manifesto currently being finalised by the Texas GOP.

    The list of state party priorities calls for an end to legal same-sex marriages, same-sex parenting, all LGBTQ+ anti-discrimination laws, all transgender rights — including gender-affirming care for children and adults — a ban on LGBTQ+ content in schools and libraries, the defunding of all diversity-equity-inclusion (DEI) initiatives, and legal protections for anyone who discriminates against queer people based on “religious or moral beliefs.”

    Furthermore, the Texas GOP platform calls for a complete end to all of the following: pornography, federal welfare programs, minimum wage laws, mandatory sick or family leave policies, net neutrality, removal of Confederate monuments, pro-immigrant sanctuary cities, public education of undocumented children, no-fault divorce, non-abstinence sex education, abortion, birthright citizenship, professorial tenure in colleges and universities, cannabis legalization, anti-climate change legislation, contact tracing for the tracking of communicable diseases, federal regulations ensuring safe farm food production, and U.S. participation in the United Nations and North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).

    The platform also calls for fertilized human egg cells to be legally recognized as people, the passage of a “state electoral college-style” law that would make it nearly impossible for Democrats to win statewide office, a ballot measure for Texas to secede from the United States, the invalidation of all federal laws not approved of by county sheriffs, and for Christianity to be inserted into public schools and government buildings.

    Gilead ain't got nothing on these guys…



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    #220
    everlast75
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122196425#Comment_122196425

    Some guy in the red cap was shouting to DeNiro that he was a **** actor with **** films.

    As someone said online, that's like walking up to Messi and saying you can't play football!



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    #221
    TinyMuffin
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    ”yer mother should have swallowed”


    maga, charming people.



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    #222
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122196492#Comment_122196492

    America would be so much better off if they did secede.

    It's crazy to see an entire platform/manifesto designed purely for the erosion of freedom for so many people, in "the land of the free".



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    #223
    odyssey06
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122196150#Comment_122196150

    That's not fair, bringing up the actual juvenile conduct and rants by MAGA loons and goons, when self declared centrists have been trying to hard to ignore it… yet mysteriously jump on anything by a Democrat. It's practically cheating, like shooting fish in a barrel. You have to accept their rules that Trump and his sycophants can say and do whatever they want, and not be challenged on it. You can't be expecting centrists to you know hold both sides to the same standards can you?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #224
    pjohnson
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122196417#Comment_122196417

    Something something Genocide Joe.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122196498#Comment_122196498

    Gina Carano is MAGA's version of Daniel Day Lewis.

    Anyone else is obviously inferior.



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    #225
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122196514#Comment_122196514

    It's all part and parcel of the "Mudsill Theory" the GOP support which basically says that for your society to prosper you must have a permanent underclass that will do all the nasty work that "needs" to be done.

    If those people had the ability to better themselves and to get ahead then who would do all that poorly paid manual labour that your company needs to be profitable?

    Look at the recent attempts to weaken child labour laws so they can get them out of school earlier to exploit them for longer and before they get too much learning to understand that they are being exploited.

    Readily available affordable Healthcare and Education are the enemies of those that wish to ensure the continuing availability of a permanent peasant class to keep the wheels of industry turning and making profits for its owners.

    This is all very very deliberate.



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    #226
    Igotadose
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122196588#Comment_122196588

    Democratic party had a chance with Healthcare in 2008, and got bought off by the Medical Insurance companies. "Medicare for all" would've been a gamechanger in US society. I doubt we'll ever see it again. Obamacare is and was just a sop to the insurance industry.

    Not saying it would have been easy, big change never is, but having lived in Ireland for 10 years, even with its woefully inept health care system (and concomitant governance,) the difference it makes in daily lives here versus the US is dramatic, in a good way. Yes, you don't get the high end innovative health care that is more commonly available in the US, and the RCC still has too much influence over the process, where I rate too much as 'more than zero.' But the average Jane Bloggs here wakes up every day knowing if she has a heart attack, she won't be impoverished forever.



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    #227
    everlast75
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    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1795648558349291557

    #Winning



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    #228
    Black Swan
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    As a colleague of mine concluded, and I agree, “what does the future hold for Donald Trump” November 2024 general elections?

    It may be decided this week by a jury and judge at the criminal felony hush money trial, now with closing arguments concluded and given to the jury to decide innocence or guilty of indictment charges.

    Trump’s future 2024 guess:

    1. If found guilty, Trump loses presidential election; but as in 2020, Trump claims election fraud and attempts to reverse a Biden win with the support of the GOP and MAGA.
    2. If found not guilty on all charges, Trump wins presidential election by a significant margin in Electoral College; claims election was fair.
    3. If hung jury by one or more of the 12 jurors on all counts, retrial will not occur before 5 November 2024; and Trump wins presidential by a slim margin in Electoral College; although losing by a few million in popular votes as in 2016 (popular vote does not count).

    Our 2 penny armchair guesses…



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    #229
    ronjo
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    have jury started deliberating or does that begin today?



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    #230
    Black Swan
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122196876#Comment_122196876

    Jury begins deliberations Wednesday 29 May 2024.



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    #231
    LambshankRedemption
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    I have a sort of fantasy that the jury will go into chamber today and the foreman will suggest they do an initial vote to see where every one is, he says everyone who thinks he's guilty raise your hand, and 12 hands go up.

    I know thats not going to happen as the process is more complicated, but it's a nice thought nonetheless.



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    #232
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122196829#Comment_122196829

    Why does no. 3 take place after Nov? Merchan doesn't seem to give a damn about Trump running for President. I don't think no. 2 is a slam dunk either.

    Personally, I think it's a hung jury, Merchan schedules a retrial for about 3 months (which seems to be a usual amount of time in NY for a retrial). That'll bring us up to Aug/Sept, so we could have an answer by Oct.*

    Of course, that gives Trump and co loads of ammunition for their fanatics. "They didn't get the answer they wanted, so they'll keep coming at us, and keep us from the campaign trial."

    The verdict would be the October bombshell, whichever way it comes down (unless it's another hung jury of course). If found not guilty, it will spur MAGA fanatics on, pushing the witch hunt angle and galvanising the troops. It could cause some of Biden's on the fence supporters some caution as to whether Trump is a bad guy or not.

    If found guilty though, it spurs on the anti-Trump vote (Note, this is not a pro-Biden vote. This would be people voting for Biden to STOP a convicted criminal retaking the white house), and quashes the MAGA fence-sitters as they would be less likely to vote in someone with a criminal conviction.

    *Kind of ironic that it was Trump who kept successfully appealing all the charges that his legal calendar is now so open :D



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    #233
    LambshankRedemption
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    Personally, I think it's a hung jury, Merchan schedules a retrial for about 3 months (which seems to be a usual amount of time in NY for a retrial).

    I have a funny feeling it will be a hung jury. I have seen 12 Angry Men enough times that I suspect there is just enough wiggle room for reasonable doubt.

    Did he sleep with her? Yes absolutely, but thats not illegal.

    Did he order she be paid the hush money? Maybe, maybe that was Michael Cohen's idea.

    Did he order it be labelled as a business expense? Maybe but maybe that was Cohen's idea too.

    I don't have the champagne on ice just yet.



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    #234
    everlast75
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122197143#Comment_122197143

    Cohen's testimony was backed up in the main, but at the direction of Trump seems to be the grey area.

    I believe that had Trump accepted that he DID sleep with Daniels, it would have made his case a hell of a lot easier to defend. Same can be said about not putting Costello on the stand.

    IMHO (and uneducated) experience, it really could go either way.



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    #235
    LambshankRedemption
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    Cohen's testimony was backed up in the main, but at the direction of Trump seems to be the grey area.

    Was it at Trumps direction really does seem to be a grey area and that is where I think there is room for reasonable doubt.

    I believe that had Trump accepted that he DID sleep with Daniels, it would have made his case a hell of a lot easier to defend.

    Oh 100%. His life would have been a hell of a lot easier if he had owned up to it. That said, before watching the Stormy documentary and then hearing her testimony, I had assumed the "affair" had been a pre-meditated business arrangement. Trump to Stormy: I'll give you x amount of dollars for a few nights of hot passionate sex, sort of thing. From her description, it really seemed more like an opportunistic not fully consensual encounter. While there are some in the MAGA camp who would be proud of their leader having an affair with a porn star, even some of them would be uncomfortable with the description of that encounter. Its much easier for Trump to deny it ever happened and MAGA-man can convince himself Stormy is lying and in it for the money.

    As we have said on this thread before, he would have bypassed this case if he had just paid the money to her from his own pocket. It was his own apathy for the rules that led him to where he is now.



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    #236
    Kurooi
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122196829#Comment_122196829

    I wonder how a guilty verdict would affect his run, it could well rally more support if he spins it right.



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    #237
    LambshankRedemption
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122197311#Comment_122197311

    I dont think so. If you were a MAGA pro-Trump you were going to vote for him already. Many conservatives however will draw the line at voting for a felon for the Whitehouse. I can't see too many people who were undecided going with him after a guilty verdict.



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    #238
    zerosquared
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122196425#Comment_122196425

    Hold my beer, pop over to the Gaza thread where a bunch is busy rooting for Trump and spending page after page slating Biden

    Now that’s beyond parody



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    #239
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122197380#Comment_122197380

    There was polling data from a while back that suggested that up to 20% of current Trump supporters would not vote for him if convicted of a felony.

    Now - Because of the Electoral college it matters where those people are - If they are all GOP voters in California and NY then it doesn't matter so it would be important to see state by state level details.

    But even a 5% swing against him would crater his chances.



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    #240
    Leroy42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122196436#Comment_122196436

    Or, they know exactly what they are doing and just don't consider the women and children (and all those not part of Hamas) to be innocents. Being Palestinian is guilty enough for them.



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    #241
    everlast75
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122197242#Comment_122197242

    "Was it at Trumps direction really does seem to be a grey area and that is where I think there is room for reasonable doubt."

    the only counter was Hope Hicks' testimony that Trump's idea Cohen paid this money out of the goodness of his heart was nonsense helps the prosecution here. In addition, his own former PA said something similar, as did excerpts from his books etc. Cohen was a credible witness, on balance, I think too.



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