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General Race Thread 2024 **spoilers**

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  • #702
    happytramp
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    Last couple of km from today's stage.

    https://youtu.be/JweEf9sr-hg?si=BPaNvzYTKtlsxBeV



  • #703
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,170 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Winning a sprint stage in a race like this was nice given where he was coming from but nothing to get too excited about.

    But winning today's stage and probably GC is a real show of strength. Some year for the team and lots of guys putting hands up for the Tour.

    Speaking of France the predictions are that this could be Irelands best ever Olympics in terms of number of medal contenders and it would be amazing if someone like Healy could be part of that. The course is "made for Loulou" so Healy and Dunbar could do well if they play it smart.



  • #704
    Dodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,312 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Lara Gillespie wins a 1.1 race in Belgium ahead of Zoe Backstedt. Her biggest win to date


    Seth Dunwoody second in a junior race stage today too



  • #705
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,429 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    And Sam seals the overall GC win in Dunkerque (aka Grand Prix des Hauts de France) with a victory on the final stage.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #706
    Dodge
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    Class by Sam. 4 stages and the overall GC. Just an incredible week for him



  • #707
    dahat
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    First year junior Conor Murphy won Stade Bianchi jnr today, savage rider & he was in A3 not 5/6 weeks ago 😂😂😂



  • #708
    happytramp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭happytramp


    I like that when people read that Sam won 4 stages at the 4 days of Dunkirk... They'll just assume he got the clean sweep.



  • #709
    breezy1985
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122159555#Comment_122159555

    Would be even better if he won 5 days out of 4.



  • #710
    odyssey06
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122159555#Comment_122159555

    Didn't there used to be sometimes 2 stages in one day in some of the Grand Tours… iirc Sean Kelly talking about them on commentary.

    So it could be like that, but it isn't :)

    I'm guessing the original 4 days of Dunkirk was subsumed in the wider  Grand Prix des Hauts de France.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #711
    Junior
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,218 ✭✭✭Junior


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122159778#Comment_122159778

    Aye split stages, the year Roche won the Giro I think there was a split stage, with the Poggio included as a downhill TT. I may have that arseways now .. but they were common enough way back when GTs needed the start/finish fees to survive.



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  • #712
    Raoul Duke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122160200#Comment_122160200

    From memory, there were split stages in the Nissan Classic as well.



  • #713
    breezy1985
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    Tour of Britain were still doing the odd split stage in London. Sprint and TT split seeing as the British were very good at both for a while there.



  • #714
    Mefistofelino
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    Stephen Roche's first TdF stage win was a split stage on Col d'Aubisque in 1985. IIRC, he wore a skinsuit with pockets hand-sewn into the back - the first speedsuit?

    Just looking back - 22 stages plus a prologue and just one rest day.



  • #715
    mewso
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,025 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    Catching up on the Antwerp Port race and Girmay should have been relegated in my opinion after a very dangerous nudge into an Israel rider I think which almost had him doing a Fabio Jacobsen into the barriers. He wasn't on the podium so the organisers probably didn't see the point but the idea is surely to stop this behaviour.



  • #716
    Dodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,312 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    3 of the grand tour stages won by Irish men were split stages

    1979 Vuelta stage 8a by Kelly (Standard stage with sprint finish followed by a 15 min prologue style ITT in the evening)

    1985 Tour stage 18a by Roche. 52.5km race up to the Aubisque (Kelly was second). Afternoon stage was 83kms to Pau. Kelly 3rd, Roche 5th. Roche sat 3rd, Kelly 4th on GC

    1987 Giro Stage 1b by Roche. 10 min ITT after a 30km mountain stage earlier that day. He was 4th there



  • #717
    Macy0161
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122160417#Comment_122160417

    I think this years TdF Femme has a split stage.



  • #718
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,992 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I see Wout is back today in the Tour of Norway. It's a stage he can win if he's fully healthy.



  • #719
    Mefistofelino
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122173838#Comment_122173838

    Hope you didn't put the house on that.

    image.png



  • #720
    eagle eye
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122175004#Comment_122175004

    I didn't put anything on it. As I said it's a stage he could win if he's fully healthy.

    And betting on cycling is a bit nuts. Outside of the brutal mountain stages and sprints it's impossible to call. Even the sprints are difficult to predict.



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  • #721
    breezy1985
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122175346#Comment_122175346

    Don't tell that to the Keirin lads.



  • #722
    Dodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,312 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Finn Crockett wins the first stage in the 2.2 ranked Tour de la Mirabelle

    Fiona Mangan 4th in final stage of 2.1 Bretagne Ladies Tour



  • #723
    Thud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,652 ✭✭✭Thud


    Pro cycling stats has Sam down for the Dauphine and Healy on TdeF squad already



  • #724
    Dodge
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    Archie Ryan and Darren Rafferty are back in action tomorrow for the “Mercan'Tour Classic Alpes-Maritimes”

    It’s been won by climbers in the 3 years it’s been run



  • #725
    retalivity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,540 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Superman lopez banned for 4 years, backdated from Jul 23

    https://www.uci.org/pressrelease/uci-statement-concerning-miguel-angel-lopez2/4Ot8GmGsmT749ekuBE1KaX



  • #726
    Dr. Bre
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    What race will Vingegaard do or is it straight to the tour?



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  • #727
    retalivity
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122199839#Comment_122199839

    He's running out of road...hes not doing the dauphine, and currently not listed for tour de suisse the week after, which finishes 2 weeks before the tour. There's no worldtour or proseries race after that, before the tdf starts. I'd imagine it'll be a few weeks at altitude instead of proper racing



  • #728
    dahat
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    It's likely that if he goes to the tour it will be week 3 where he is found out much like Podjacar last year.



  • #729
    Dodge
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    He could enrage the nation of Slovenia by going to their Tour. 12th-16th June with some nice climbs. Visma aren’t down for that (and don’t usually) but it’d be fun to see



  • #730
    Macy0161
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122193520#Comment_122193520

    Archie 11th, Rafferty 16th - watched it this morning on the turbo and Archie very prominent on the la Couillole. Looked like he sat up to pace Nerurkar who finished 9th.



  • #731
    Macy0161
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122200837#Comment_122200837

    Week 3 also where the Giro most likely to catch up with Pog, so could be very interesting!



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  • #732
    breezy1985
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122201200#Comment_122201200

    He has probably done harder pre Tour training camps



  • #733
    retalivity
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    Rafferty starting the dauphine tomorrow. So is Sam but not much sprint chances.

    https://twitter.com/EFprocycling/status/1796582606118715642



  • #734
    Dr. Bre
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    only 2 sprint chances. 5 mountain stages and a time trial



  • #735
    retalivity
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    2nd for Sam behind Pedersen



  • #736
    mewso
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,025 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    Odd one there. Did Sam have a mechanical? He was sprinting seated.



  • #737
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,202 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122213204#Comment_122213204

    It did look a bit weird, he was going a little faster than Pedersen but never seemed to get up and give it the beans so to speak. Didn't even seem annoyed, as if it was a training day.



  • #738
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,429 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122211004#Comment_122211004

    What's the other sprint stage Sam might have a chance in?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #739
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,726 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122213204#Comment_122213204

    Watched the Lanterne Rouge breakdown of the finish, it looks like he just didn’t have the speed to get back up to Mads so sort of gave up.

    He was a bit unlucky, when Liepins dropped his chain he had to put in a bit of an effort to get back on Mads wheel which would’ve thrown him off as well



  • #740
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,202 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122214160#Comment_122214160

    Seen that as well, I don't agree with LR that he wasn't gaining on him but he figured about 25m from the line that he wouldn't make it so left it at that. I hadn't seen the chain drop either until the LR video either, they were already moving at astonishing pace (well done UCI on a downhill into a sprint finish), that tiny bit of an effort to get around looked minimal but they were all only a few kmph off flat out sprint speed. Either way, 2nd place against Mads, on one of the fastest run ins to a finish with no actual lead out in the last km is very positive.



  • #741
    happytramp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭happytramp


    In his prime Sam used to be fairly handy at somewhat uphill finishes and suffered less than a lot of other pure sprinters on the climbs... I wonder if the sprints later on in the tour might prove more fruitful for him.



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  • #742
    Macy0161
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122215887#Comment_122215887

    I haven't seen whether Sam has discussed the sprint, but it nearly looked like he ran out of gears with the pace they came in at.



  • #743
    mewso
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,025 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122213400#Comment_122213400

    I think stage 5 might be tentatively considered a possibility for the sprinters but it's not easy. Plenty of climbing so very much down to the pace of the Peleton.



  • #744
    CramCycle
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122218595#Comment_122218595

    This too, you have to remember that only 3km out they were at 90+kmph, can't remember the speed at the end but it wasn't slow. This said, he wasn't spinning out. It could well have been that little jump around the lad with the slipped chain and then a realisation that it was too close to the end, we will never know but he is coming into form in a good way.

    When are AG2R announcing their tour team?



  • #745
    Dodge
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    They’re all on the same time so it doesn’t really matter but 6-10 in the young riders classification at the Dauphine is

    6 Ayuso

    7 Buitrago

    8 Rafferty

    9 Remco

    10 Van Wilder

    Good company…



  • #746
    Squidgy Black
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    Never thought I’d say this, but fantastic team tactics by IPT at the finish there



  • #747
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,992 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    What age does young riders end at? Buitrago surely can't still be in that category?



  • #748
    retalivity
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122221095#Comment_122221095

    25 in ASO races. Sure this year is the first year Pog isn't eligible for it in the tour, which is ridiculous. Buitrago is still 24

    Post edited by retalivity on


  • #749
    Dr. Bre
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    is Pog still available for the white jersey at this years tour? Seems like an age he’s been in this competition.

    Just saw answer above - thanks!

    Post edited by Dr. Bre on


  • #750
    Morris Garren
    Registered Users Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    Roglic crashed again yesterday— its near ridiculous the number of times he falls off. 150 riders in the race and he is the one on his arse AGAIN- Imagine the damage he is doing to himself. Can't see him staying upright for 3 weeks in July either



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  • #751
    Paddigol
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122221826#Comment_122221826

    Himself and Dunbar must have a side bet going on.



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