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2fm - New schedule coming

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,763 ✭✭✭squonk


    She did but as a general reader the amount of bile towards Lottie here seems way OTT. She seems to be judged on her on air presence. It’s been mentioned she is head of entertainment. She sounds like she has a broader role behind the scenes. I honestly don’t know. Anybody else commenting doesn’t seem to know anything for definite either.

    Let’s take the most fantastical version of her job that’s being referenced here, €100,000/year for reading out a few showbiz stories. Would I give a gig like that up? Would you? Wouldn’t you be an eejit if you did!

    I think none of us know what’s going on with Lottie. I’ll say that flogging Toyotas on the company campus doesn’t exactly say “Head of Entertainment”, let alone her being a contractor at the time.

    It seems terribly bitter wishing unemployment on someone. As I say, we don’t seem to know exactly what she does in RTE day to day. If she is, in fact, stealing a living then management would deal with that you would think. I know RTE doesn’t always work that way but any goodwill accrued from her old man or name has long faded now you’d think. She must be there on her own merits at this stage. Certainly in the current climate you’d expect her to be offloaded if she wasn’t useful in there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,624 ✭✭✭yagan


    As much as it may seem bitter to wish anyone unemployed it is not bitter to ask what value is her role to the public purse?

    RTE is at its very centre a dedicated national communication institution and not a talent factory. She belongs in the private sector because I can not discern any loss in options on the dial if 2fm was cut loose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 889 ✭✭✭radiotrickster


    Commercial stations have requirements on how much time per hour has to be dedicated to news, sport, etc. Do RTE have license requirements in the same way? It’s possible that it’s a license requirement for 2FM to provide two minutes of entertainment news per hour across the day and that’s a task Lottie fulfils.

    I’d agree with @squonk that it’s a bit of a witch hunt here. So many people here zone in on Lottie as a problem needing to be solved but we don’t know what she does day-to-day, the same way that we don’t know what anyone else does. We don’t know if the breakfast presenters arrive five minutes before a show and leave five minutes after it ends or if they stay for hours, working with producers to plan the following day. We don’t know how much effort the producers put in or if they just go with the first idea that comes to them.

    We don’t know anything about how anyone works or how much they contribute to the organisation other than what we hear on-air and it’s unfair to judge Lottie alone for that. You could argue that newsreaders are stealing a living too in that case, only reading a bulletin for a couple of minutes an hour is the same as what Lottie is doing, just with different content.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I don't think there is bile here towards her TBH. I think there is a difference between criticism of someone on Radio versus purely being demeaning towards them for no real reason.

    Her father had plenty of critics during his time at RTÉ. His television career was almost always lambasted, nothing every stuck and he was move from one project to another.

    I don't wish anyone out of employment but I wonder why she is still on the Radio. Critically she just isn't very good at the job. I don't think she'd really get passed an audition with RTÉ or any broadcaster if she was anyone else.

    She might be there on her own merits but what are they? If she is good at over seeing Entertainment on RTÉ.ie then let her do that but she should not be presenting. Sorry if this is harsh but unless she can improve on Radio or TV then she'll need to do other things in the organisation.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,624 ✭✭✭yagan


    For me Lottie's tenure is as inexplicable as 2fm's continued existence.

    2fm was created at a time when half the population was under 25 years of age, youth programming beyond Bosco was pretty scarce. For me 2fm became irrelevant decades ago, and I only tuned back in when the 2 Johnnies were brought in. I had been following them years beforehand on the internet, and now they're moving on again so 2fm becomes irrelevant to me again.

    It's been said here many a time but I do think 2fm should just become a dedicated DadFm, goldenoldies, or whatever rather than mawkishly trying to fulfil a youth mandate that's more than adequately catered for by other channels and the internet options.

    2fm is truly a quango at this stage, existing on muscle memory and a tenuous blood link to its Gerry Ryan golden era.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    2FM was always set up to be a self-sufficient radio station, with the potential to earn a profit which would then be use for other public service broadcast areas of RTÉ.

    Bosco actually began a the year of 2FM's launch. RTÉ2 was launched the previous year, and many had access to BBC radio and British TV. Potential 2FM was launched a decade too late, ditto RTÉ2 and maybe even Teilfise Eireann! Though I have a feeling Independent broadcasting was 10 years too late and TV3 20 years too late.

    I do think RTÉ needs a link to yuff but it is not 2FM but also 2FM should be just made redundant, though IMO a pop music station is not a public service and should be self-sufficient, I don't understand how 2FM has a bigger budget than Lyric FM. It'd be interesting to know how much RTÉ is spending on their digital radio stations.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,624 ✭✭✭yagan


    I chime with all that, especially how it receives more than a dedicated music channel like LyricFM.

    Having said that LyricFM is relaying and expands what already exists whereas 2fm needs content creators to justify its continued existence, which is in itself an act of futility.

    Back on the Lottie criticism my first actual exposure to her was because I tuned in to hear the 2 Johnnies and I found her inclusion extremely bizarre. Her contributions were screechy, opinionated non-craic dross peddlying that was obviously endured by the lads as part of their package and I've no doubt she's already mentally in their rear view mirror.

    2fm might have channeled the zeitgeist of Ireland's youth quake of the 80s and early 90s, but no one seems to have noticed the ground has shifted in both demographics and technology has cut the legs from its entire premise.

    The 2 Johnnies is the closest 2fm have gotten to where it's at now, and like them their audience will not stick around for Lottie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,742 ✭✭✭Wanderer2010


    It's just bizarre how a young woman like Lottie would cling to the same old job year after year with nothing much to show for it. It's embarrassing watching her being wheeled out for the yearly line up promotion photo shoot. So many of her colleagues have left for pastures new which is what younger people do and she seems content to rot away. And people may say she has no pull anymore but I can't see her leaving rte to get a job somewhere else. I'd say even in 10 years time the girl will be the only original staff member there surrounded by new fresh faces and what's she doing? Reading out a few showbiz stories. It's her father's surname that got her the job and she knows this very well so she wouldn't get any free lunches if she moved to another station or broke out on her own. Still makes her career a joke though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭waywill1966




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,763 ✭✭✭squonk


    exactly and she’s married and has kids. If the job she’s doing works for her, why would she leave?

    Lots here excoriating her for lacking ambition or being content to sit on a job for whatever reason. I’m not saying she is or is not but you don’t have to look to RTE for this. The country is rife with people in handy jobs sitting on them. Whatever makes you happy and works for you is it!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Very true. I don't think criticism of lack of ambition is useful, who's to say she doesn't have ambition and she feels she's achieved something in herself.

    Seems to me she's made a very good life for herself, regardless of her name. Fair dues to her.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,624 ✭✭✭yagan


    The question then becomes where do you put such a lifer if the tv license fee vacuum shuts down 2fm?

    How does one so institutionalised be reprogrammed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Continuity still exists, bring back the Entertainment minute on RTÉ News channel. National lottery, weather, telly bingo?


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,624 ✭✭✭yagan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,742 ✭✭✭Wanderer2010


    Herself and Blathnaid Treacy could do that! Blathnaid I feel is another one of those girls even 10 years ago you could confidently state "that girl will spend the rest of her life in RTE" and so far 10 years later I have been proven right! Maybe they do like the job but it's a bit strange to have so little ambition in that industry. It's not like a factory line where nothing changes. Tv and media offer so many types of activities and sidelines. With RTE under the microscope more than ever, I'd say only the most unambitious and feet draggers will limp on until retirement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,624 ✭✭✭yagan


    That guilded lifestyle may come to end soon if rte is restructured due to license fee implosion.

    All surviving departments would have to prove content worthiness and I doubt any of the lifers would know if Mullingar is north, south or west.



  • Registered Users Posts: 182 ✭✭Chun the Unavoidable


    i have only heard lottie in the past few years the odd time doing the entertainment news spots although i had a period when i was out and about early weekend mornings and would catch her old weekend breakfast show as I always wanted to have a live show with a live presenter to listen to. I thought she was ok, but ok isnt anywhere good enough for a national breakfast show flying solo. she was then promoted into the shouty gang breakfast show, which seems to be the house style for 2fm from 6am till noon and so her shouty entertainment slots fit right in.

    As is said above she is marred, has kids and is almost 40 so you cant blame her for not wanting to go anywhere. By all accounts she wants an actual show of her own maybe she will start battering Jennifers Mic come september. I'm not convinced she should do it solo tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,624 ✭✭✭yagan


    She could follow Bryan tubridy into podcasting. Some of his weekly YouTube submissions have hundreds of viewers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭Shan Doras


    Lottie gets a lot of posts on this forum but realistically she is only the very top of the iceberg of "corridor wanders" in RTE, Like what does Mr Spring do in RTE when he's not on 2fm Saturday night at midnight? What does Derek Mooney do all day as "wildlife officer"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,763 ✭✭✭squonk


    Good point but it just goes to show that we don’t know. Hell, there are people in my own organisation who I wonder what the hell they must be doing all day. I know they’re working as hard as I am because it’s a small organisation but it shows for me an impression isn’t worth zilch. I would be supportive at this stage of an external evaluation of RTEs staff. I’d want to see the appropriate people made redundant as I suspect that’s not what has actually happened.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭Shan Doras


    There is the crazy situation of every time they have a redundary program, not only is it voluntary, it's never targeted so you have people who actually had a clear role getting paid to leave.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,624 ✭✭✭yagan


    Just to scale back the issue is not the personalities, but the roles that are propped regardless of demand.

    The 2 johnnies moving is a great example of how 2fm is irrelevant in today's media landscape.

    I have zero problem with a national broadcaster, but what 2fm is is more than adequately supplied by the private sector.

    Basically the likes of Lottie are symptoms of the problem, and changing them doesn't change the problem, namely 2fm is not required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I think the value that RTÉ put on 2FM as a touchstone for younger audiences is long gone, but I do think that RTÉ should invest in content for young people and the 15 to 24 / 15 to 35 age groups. However 2FM is not that attraction alone, if it is even part of a plan to keep younger audiences with RTÉ.

    RTÉ maintained 2FM over the last 20 years and yet cut children's content, cut Drama and failed to invest in Comedy.

    It shows just how badly run RTÉ is that they continue to espouse the importance of 2FM as a connection to youth but fail to realise 2fm's position in RTÉ and RTÉ's connection with younger people via Children's content, Drama and Comedy.

    RTÉ never even consider each of these other important Genres.

    BTW many will ask what age are we and what do we know, well I'd argue we've seen RTÉ's attempts at Yuff Programming and the demise of RTÉ 2FM to have some understanding of the situation.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭Shan Doras


    Yeah like why don't they do any effort at all for the youth/15-35s on RTE two television between 7pm/Midnight? They show gardening shows and such around 8pm, why not show Family Guy and Bobs burgers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,617 ✭✭✭ford fiesta


    the 2FM exits sure has given the station some much needed interest and publicity. there's probably older 2FM listeners finding themselves tuning in again to hear what the fuss is about !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,809 ✭✭✭Trampas


    Less than 12 months ago she was with nk. So I doubt she was head of a department as a contractor. So did they give her a permie job to become a department head while they need to cut costs. Contractors should be given the flick and one reading out social media posts especially



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭California Dreamer




  • Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭Kingslayer


    Yes and then tuning out again pretty sharpish when they hear how lacklustre the station has become.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭Chip Whitley


    Reading all the posts in here, and the 2 Johnnies thread and the Doireann Garrihy thread has been very interesting. Like it has been mentioned, what people feel should happen next is all over the map.

    I am seeing a through-line though… the 'talking' should be reserved for Radio One and the music is 2fm.

    What is the music though? Well, a lot of people agree that the youth/chart music seems to be sewn up by the regional youth stations, Spin/Red/Beat etc.

    If you look at what Today FM do, it's a mix of 90's, 00's with some 2010's and current sprinkled throughout. It feels like the station are aging with their audience and playing 'the music they love' while 2fm just haven't managed to find a balance. I am 40 and have listened to primetime Today FM pretty regularly for 15 - 20 years now. I feel like it's aging with me and the consistency of presenter line-up is to be admired, although I'll admit I don't listen to Iano.

    2fm has been so chaotic in comparison.

    I don't really have a suggested solution other than to say a consistent line-up, deciding on a demographic (abandon the youth?) and not trying to be something they're not would help I'm sure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,118 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    There has been plenty of gripes in this thread about not catering for youth but in fairness, the playlist this morning is fairly new and fresh. Plenty Irish artists too, while not delving into the stereotypical Cranberries, Hozier or Dermot Kennedy and roaring 'we're playing new Irish artists' while doing it. I never would have heard any of these on Today FM. One run of tracks was;

    CMAT

    SZA

    Strabe

    Peggy Gou

    Khakikid



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    In fairness you hear CMAT, hear her before she starts singing!


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭Shan Doras




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,809 ✭✭✭Trampas


    Lottie to get the drive time slot with David o Reilly. That’s a shocking pairing for that slot.

    Aifric to join the morning slot


    My opinion on the bits of heard of David when covering or in slots is he has an opinion and all others are wrong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭ShagNastii


    Lottie Ryan and David O Reilly confirmed on VIP magazine Instagram as the replacements for the 2 Johnnies.


    Says a lot that it was by them and not 2fm socials. The press release describes them as “the ultimate messers”


    gets sick in a bag



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    :/ Reading though some of his other post he seems to have missed the elephant in the room. Don't mention Dee!


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,050 ✭✭✭✭cena


    I won't listen to 2fm, I stopped after the last schedule. The breakfast show needs to be scrapped, Laura has no personality and we all know Lottie is only on 2fm because of her father. She needs to step outside of his shadow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    It seems like a nothing change to be honest. It will be interesting to see if any of this make an impact on 2FM's audience and how they spin it.

    I would love to see 2FM reach new heights in this disaster, or just to remain on the same numbers.

    Dan Healy should have a masters in spin.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,247 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    I had 2FM on the car for about 4 hours last Sunday. Some things I noted….

    • The on air imaging was almost indecipherable. Shows presenters were dropping other presenter names left right and centre into every link, or playing incorrect liners for shows or playing name liners for presenters who they were filling in for (In one case, to be fair.). Similarly, the afternoon show signed off and namedrops a good six or seven other presenters, all more prominent than the station name. And this an iconic Irish brand.
    • Lazy ass banter for banters sake. Roz and Emma had a link early on; rude Irish place names. Cliched topic granted but amusing, nonetheless, and some listener texts were read out. Two songs later, they were hurrahing a new topic (This time it was festivals.) and text in about it. Two songs later, still reading out placename texts and festival messages and time for another topic, I think it was Roz and her adopt a dog spot. And this on a "music" station.
    • Consistency. Again Roz and Emma. Usually your twin presenters have a lead voice hosting in and out, with the other contributing content in between. I noticed that they didn't adhere to this concept at all. I think Roz actually disappeared for a few links (Not a bad thing, sez you 😁 ).
    • Ads. I know they are a sore topic on other station but of the few of what aired, they didn't exactly jump out of the radio. Which raises a concern; if you don't notice them then should they bother atall?
    • The music I didn't find was a big issue but it was odd to hear a "that was this is" mentality times. Sometimes you miss that simplicity. Maybe that's what they need to look at again; if it works for Spin……



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,937 ✭✭✭leath_dub




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    Being young is a great advantage, since we see the world from a new perspective and we are not afraid to make radical changes - Greta Thunburg



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,335 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Lottie Ryan hanging around whether anyone wants her for anything or not has paid off....what a joke..3-6pm Monday to Friday, how many mentions of her dad per week?

    2FM shakeup: Lottie Ryan and David O’Reilly taking 2 Johnnies slot (for the summer at least).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    Who should have got the slot instead? Any names?

    Being young is a great advantage, since we see the world from a new perspective and we are not afraid to make radical changes - Greta Thunburg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭RINO87


    Lottie on drive 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭RINO87


    Yup 2fm playlist is much, much better than today fm.

    2fm's programming after 7pm is also much better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,624 ✭✭✭yagan


    I've a sibling who was a county hurler, doesn't mean everyone else in the family could.

    I used to turn off the 2 johnnies when they had to do their grin and bear it during Lottie, I'll be following them away from 2fm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,259 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    Well isn't that the biggest "f*CK you boards"

    Afric joining breakfast isn't that big a surprise. Afric and Carl were a popular pairing on weekends so they already have the chemistry.

    Lottie on Drive... Well it's not Fergal D'arcy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,617 ✭✭✭ford fiesta


    the 3 presenters announced must be RTE staffers, Bakhurst making use of existing resources which is good



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Shake up? Shakedown for the taxpayers money more like. Less talent same output. Just now, drive becomes drivel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    😂 Anyone but. There are plenty of people knocking around RTÉ. You could have the job if you wanted, based on that level of talent.

    Again nothing against the girl, but she's not ready to be a full time host or co-host.

    Good luck to her an everyone on this summer's shake up, I honestly hope they end up with 50k 15 to 25 year old listeners extra, on top of the currently listenership


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭Shan Doras


    The new schedule reminds me of an Iradio/Beat102103 schedule, basically no " big names" on it at all, Indeed Laura Fox must be the "smallest name presenter"(can't think of another way to describe it) on mid-mornings since Paul Clark in 1982 ?



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