Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

The IRA too, all volunteers too, roundly discussed, named and thrashed. I’m guessing it’s only certain “volunteers” that cannot be named

I can't be responsible for whatever " you infer ' from my posts .

The fact is I clearly referenced Derek Blighe and his colleagues .

Mentioned him specifically .

They are a bunch of ne'er do wells .

Maybe their supporters are the salt of the earth ..I don't know nor did I comment about it .

That would be you conflating the two .

As to the accent come on , you are being disingenuous here !

Why mention it if it doesn't irk you somehow... or the whole ' common people ' doing volunteering paragraph , what is that saying , especially when I did not talk about any of that in my posts ?

Sounds like there is a bit of a chip there .

If we are talking about inferences ...

They have definitely been very lax around the issue of asylum, treated it with no urgency and lacked a cohesive long term plan.

I'd still say 'better late than never' though. It seems Harris is taking the issue a lot more seriously than Varadkar or Micheál Martin did.

Harris became Taoiseach and immediately started talking tough on asylum. But how do we know he is not sincere? As higher education minister, he would have had zero influence on the matter.

Plus, there is an actual general election coming in six to nine months, meaning he is hardly likely to change tack at any point.

I agree. Harris is well able to talk the talk but has yet to prove he can walk the walk. He is fast talking and sharp but on the immigration issue that doesn't mean he will deliver or that he even wants to deliver! He is all about the EU and impressing on the world stage. This is just optics coming up to elections. His tune will change if FG stay in power.

For example what on earth is the plan with the hoards of migrants tents on the canals? Move them twice a week to Thornton Hall? And from there where do they go? There is no housing and nobody in the country wants hundreds moving into their towns. What is the plan for these single men, where are they meant to meet women? The local women won't be swiping right on any of them. So if there is 56 migrants a day coming into the country (and that's the "official" figure) then Thornton Hall will be full in a less than 3 months bearing in mind the backlog of tented men already in the country!

These migrants need to be stopped otherwise as a country we are completely screwed. So the big question to Simon Harris is "what is the longterm plan here"??

( I live in rural Kerry, and today pulled into a layby to text someone. There was a white van with 2 Asian/Pakistan looking men sitting on one side of me, on the other side there was another Indian/Pakistanian couple out rooting around in the boot of their car for something). It just struck me as a white Irish person in rural Ireland how quickly the demographic is changing. These were not tourists. 5 years ago you wouldn't have seen this.

why are you replying to my post about other posts and how they seem ? Not once have I discussed this woman’s appearance or motives

My post was about the right to discuss her opinions and how if she goes public with them then we have a right to disagree or agree as the case my be .

If you have an issue with others discussing her appearance then address them with your concerns

And what are you trying to claim is the causal factor here?

If you're ignoring poverty, unemployment, education etc will you go for the old fashioned genetic inferiority, or one of the more recent cultural inferiority adaptations?

I'm open to hearing other suggestions if you have them?

Fine . Part of what might I ask ? Because you dont agree with any discussion of a public figure doesn’t mean we are all wrong and part of anything

And that is my final word on it . I will not get into an argument

The people arriving here every day with no English are going to struggle with poverty, unemployment and poor education for a generation or so, so if these are the causes of crime, why are we encouraging it???

Not slagging, just calling a spade a spade.

What it actually points to is the reality is that the measures were never actually impossible, it's just they didn't want to do them.

So I disagree that it's not better late than never, since it never should have been allowed to happen at all.

Ok .Fair enough .

I just didn't want the discussion going down a classist direction .

Nor do I think it fair to any person public or private to be discussing personal attributes on here

Opinions and public statements are fair game I agree and she has a presence there , I see that .

Btw I am from traditional working class people myself and have lived all over for work (except rural, but hospitals are usually urban !) And availed of social welfare ourselves in times of need so no judgement at all there !

I have volunteered also but in a different environment . Health . Still do .

And I question the narrative that promotes discussion of people who volunteer , who work for their living in government departments or charities , or giving out about all NGOs .

Is it coming from "anyone who does anything for migrants are wrong ?"

Or is it coming from a more insidious pro Russian/ white supremacist / or fascist influence that seeks to undermine Western values ? ( Not CT , it is widespread on social media )

It is a fact that Russia are spending millions trying to influence both mainstream and social media .

And it is also fact that many anti immigration posts on social media are not originating in Ireland at all but the US , UK and further afield .

Recent study described here...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.thejournal.ie/how-misinformation-spreads-in-ireland-isd-analysis-social-media-news-fringe-groups-6226354-Nov2023/&ved=2ahUKEwjozvLuyrWGAxW3QUEAHaX5ChQQFnoECCgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0ART7j3S4J1baJXQm9RiNA

Not saying you are influenced by that but there are a definite proliferation of posts spewing a certain line here and whether it is conscious or not it is playing for a particular team .

Yes .

Now this is relevant .

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/0530/1452162-ihrec-high-court/

From the article:

The court heard that between 2019 and 2023, the EU had seen the numbers seeking protection increase by 59%, while Ireland had seen an increase in 185%.

Some posters have been saying that Ireland has been seeing the same increase of asylum seekers as the rest of Europe, and therefore Roderick O’Gorman’s tweets weren’t a thing as a pull factor… the stats above say otherwise however.

Seems to me that the only reason a small island such as Ireland, the most westerly in the EU, has experienced such a sharp increase in asylum seekers is because we have made ourselves the most attractive country to come to, and openly advertised that fact.