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Countering Trump

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  • 31-05-2024 8:28am
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    Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭


    Imagine you are the campaign manager for a politician running against someone like Trump.

    You partly focus on getting your message out and partly focus on countering 'Trump' and the views he puts out there.

    What is your strategy to counter the 'Trump' arguments/comments?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,420 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Focus on his obvious frailties as a person.

    His terrible hair, his unhealthy overweight body, his sickly orange skin, the smell that follows him around. His mental frailties, poor memory, barely passing a test for Alzheimer's and boasting about it.

    His cowardice for dodging the draft, his poor business skills, so many failed businesses and bankruptcies, his disloyalty, so many of his former allies that he threw under the bus, he cheated on his wife, his taxes, paid for abortions, raped women, cheats at golf...

    Show him up to be the small frail, incompetent bitter, whiney, stupid, old decrepit man that he is. And show how he actually hates America and democracy



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,207 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I would also emphasise how he's actually mostly been a big loser in politics.

    • His only actual win was in 2016 and he still lost the popular vote then.
    • His party's candidates got trounced in the 2018 mid-terms.
    • He then became the first sitting president to lose an election in 28 years.
    • All of his hand-picked Senate candidates bombed in the 2022 mid-terms.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,990 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Run multiple candidates to steal votes from Biden.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,699 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    That is Trump strategy used to attack Biden.

    Biden is old - but so is Trump. He is 78 years old this year - the same age as Bill Clinton who was elected President over 32 years ago, and re-elected four years later. Hilary Clinton is also the same age. Biden is just 3 years older.

    Biden shows some signs of age are effecting him, mainly in agility. He also shows he his-remembers things, but he has people to correct him.

    However, Trump shows much greater signs of dementia - such as considering Hannibal Lector a real person, and fine example of an American. He has had other examples of rambling speeches that make no sense. [Trump is nuts].

    I think attacking his many failings - the conviction, the business failures, his inability to pay even the bond in his libel case. All puncture his narcissism, which will drive him demented and onto the defense.

    It might be a good strategy, and likely to succeed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,420 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Yes, and just because Biden is also weak to some of those challenges, doesn't mean Biden shouldn't also use them against Trump.

    Trump fans won't be turned on policy. They are emotionally connected to Trump and what they think he stands for. He needs to be shown for the embarrassment, the pathetic creature that he is.

    While the most extremist trump fans will literally wear adult nappies to support him, the swing voters will be more easily turned off him if they associate him with all of the disgusting character and physical traits he has



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  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭techman1


    TRump looks particularly old the last year or so , his face looks rough and haggard with tired eyes piering out, his hair is thinning and he doesn't look anything like the trump of 2016. He is old and tired now, biden is old too but he doesn't look menacing like trump does and he is not dieing his hair or putting on orange makeup or tanning lotion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭DUBLINIRL


    So basically attack him on multiple things unrelated to his political view? Bring it back to the playground type of scenario?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,726 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Just go with the facts and hopefully have a convincing change candidate. We all know what he is and while there is a mass MAGA following, it's not as large as it thinks it is.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭DUBLINIRL


    What if you're the campaign manager for the incumbent?

    The Trump message resonates with a large percentage of people, very possibly enough to get him elected, so taking a passive approach to this might backfire.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,713 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    Going Ad-hominen against Mr. Trump does rather leave the door open for similar counter-accusastions against the incumbent. Although given the perceived economic downturn in the US, that might be the only choice.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,505 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    You have to bait him

    He could come out with anything in response or do anything in response



  • Registered Users Posts: 795 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Focus and his actions as President and how it hurt the regular voter and the actions you are doing to fix that.

    Example: Global Inflation

    The main driver of Global inflation from 2021-22 was Oil prices. There is plenty proof but common sense will tell you

    https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/second-round-effects-of-oil-prices-on-inflation-in-the-advanced-foreign-economies-20231215.html

    Trump in April 2020 when Oil was $19.90 a barrel went to OPEC and got Oil Production reduced by 10m barrels a day ( about 17%). This was asked for by the large US Oil companies. Trump did this by supplying arms to Saudi to fight in Yeman.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN22C1V3/#:~:text=On%20April%2012%2C%20under%20pressure,about%2010%25%20of%20global%20output.

    This quadrupled the price of oil to $62 by the time he left off and doubled again to $122 by May '22 as the Gloabl Economy expanded rapidly.

    Those Oil Companies had record profits on the backs of the normal US Consumer.

    So the Inflation that all Americans experienced was the 'Trump Inflation' paid for by regular Americas so Trump could mind his friends…

    Now sell that.. It was always the Trump Inflation…



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,480 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    I would make sure to use small words and crayon drawings, because Trump voters are really, really stupid.

    Thats not even joking. "Intelligent" campaign strategies are likely going to be too sophisticated for the types of people who currently worship Trump. They will go right over their heads.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,726 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Your incumbent will need some luck and a decent record of governing along with a good social media team.

    Populism thrives in economic misery. Always has done. Prevention is better than cure which is sadly much easier to say than to achieve.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 885 ✭✭✭clearz


    Just take the inverse of Biden and run them against Trump. I'm serious. It would be best to have someone young and charismatic, a good public speaker and an all-around good communicator preferably handsome too. They need to understand and dissect all the standard right-wing conspiracies and talking points. They must understand the post-truth philosophy and all its implications. They can't be seen as "woke" (right-wing definition[s]) so no black, female lesbians for the foreseeable future. IMHO it's borderline criminal to be inserting people into the campaign based on how many diversity ticks they have instead of the singular matter of fighting back fascism and their ability to accomplish this. I'm lookin at you, Kamala Harris.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,313 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    The Dems think in DEI terms, they are stuck with Kamala, they cant use a slick white guy from central casting ie Newsom. The Dems will need a term or 2 out of office to think it out, they are kind of stuck with the "crazy woman " vote for now

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 919 ✭✭✭thegame983


    Stop with the identity politics.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,990 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Looks like one plan failed anyway over the weekend.

    The best Democrat counter trump is someone centrist, young (presidential young, say like Obama in 08),charismatic, and that voters relate to. Basically Obama 2.0 is what they need, and they don't have.

    For the GOP they could counter with someone like De Sanctis but why bother, this is Trump's last go around regardless. If he loses to Biden twice he's not running again and be too old anyway. Don't split the party, keep the MAGA and less extreme GOP bases together for four more years, avoid splinter factions, and try keep the white house in 2028.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,313 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    they sort of need to, in the old days is was more class based, now the identity politics is falling apart , its obvious that plenty of minorities will vote Republican now

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 885 ✭✭✭clearz


    What do you mean by "Looks like one plan failed anyway over the weekend."



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,726 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,449 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    My opponent is a rapist, a traitor, a crook and likes to sexually abuse underage girls.

    Repeated ad nauseam



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,415 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    trump supporters seem to kinna like this kinna stuff, im not sure it would discourage them…

    …its a bit of a mess really, a terrible opponent, and a country in complete disarray, both parties have done an enormous amount of damage to the country…..



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,726 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's 2024. Anyone still supporting Trump won't be discouraged at this point. The best the Democrats can do now is to just hammer home the threat he poses, how vile he is and Project 2025.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,990 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Sorry that part of the post was intended as a tongue in cheek comment vs the rational comments that followed.

    The shooter was a white male registered republican and member of the NRA. Hardly a democrat.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,914 ✭✭✭Augme


    It very easy to attack Trump. That's not the problem, the problem is trying to do it with so who comes across as having early on set dementia.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,059 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    The way I see it is this election is Bidens to lose. Hopefully he does not but he needs to say and do what people here have said about how bad Trumps last term in office was and all the bad things about him.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,699 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Biden does not have early onset dementia. He is in the middle of the age of dementia. He is OK for now, but even in one year, he will be unable to operate at full level.

    He should resign as President and leave Kamala Harris have a go. She does not need to be that good - just not Trump.

    Trump looks very shook by the closeness of that bullet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 885 ✭✭✭clearz


    Ah ok, I agree that someone like Obama would be needed to beat Trump now. Biden could have come out and stated that he wouldn't be running again last year and he would have been remembered as the guy who bet Trump and saved democracy. Instead, he'll be remembered as the guy who put his ego above all else and lost the presidency to Trump.

    I can imagine a lot of Democrats wearing "Lets Go Brandon" shirts after November.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,388 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    That only goes so far, even assuming it is all entirely correct.

    Sure, as a character, he is entirely unfit for the White House. However….none of those are policy positions. None of them affect my wallet. None of them affect my security. None of them affect foreign policy. And so on. People are going to vote on what they think will benefit them, not on ethereal luxuries like morals of other people. "Sure, he's an arsehole, but he's not going to give away hundreds of billions of dollars for a war which isn't our concern, we need them for our own problems like the border."

    The correct answer is not to character assassinate ad nauseum. I think most people by now know his character and it seems patently obvious that they don't care. If they did, he wouldn't be doing so well in the polls. Instead, explain, in short, simple terms, why it is in the US's interest to keep supporting Ukraine, or why the Biden tax plan is better, or whatever. Explain why they, personally, will be better off with Biden in the White House… because very obviously character references aren't doing the job.



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