Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

I thought some on here said Ms Headon looks after all the homeless in Dublin? I’d like some proof of that please as all I can see from all the video evidence over the last few weeks at Grand Canal is her helping asylum seekers. Over the same time she has been interviewed for Irish radio and tv, European news channels and UK news channels and it’s always to talk about asylum seekers.

Is she really a volunteer or is she getting paid to do what she does?

You're not a moderator so not sure why you think you can tell other people who or what can be discussed.

I could volunteer to throw rocks at random houses if i wanted. Should that not be discussed seeing as I was doing it in a voluntary capacity?

Not all activities are socially useful and encouraging and aiding illegal immigration should really be a crime not something that someone should be lauded for on here.

Skilled migrants who rent in Ireland are obviously competing for scarce houses especially as many work in Dublin or Cork. It's mad to say otherwise.

Trump’s charges in relation to hush money have absolutely nothing to do with the topic. I feel like this is another attempt at a smear by association. Trump has nothing to do with us

I’m assuming this go-move-shift policy will have to be strengthened to prevent new camps appearing the following day after a clear out - however that’s not that simple- if you ban me from the canal I’ll go to the park- ban me from the park and I’ll go down the road to another green area- also there IS no accommodation available in the main for these people - they’ll be out of prison in a day if prosecuted due to over crowding there so that won’t work- probably better off setting up a camp in the phoenix park or somewhere- provide washing and toilet facilities, set up a food tent, surround it with railings and 24 hour security - these pop up camp sites aren’t going to stop- it’s only going to get worse- isn’t the figure about 600 a week coming from the UK via NI?

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/asylum-seekers-move-tents-to-ballsbridge-after-canal-space-gets-fenced-off/a1771497291.html

The same point stands for facilitating mass migration and the consequent societal problems or should we just bury our heads in the sand and pretend somehow things will be different here?

We should start with the goal and benchmark best practices to achieve that goal, as far as I'm concerned that should be to minimise the arrival of random punters who have the wherewithal to fund travel across the world and the Danish Model is the benchmark. Any resources we have to help refugees should be directed at the most vulnerable, the ones in camps adjacent to active warzones, not the globetrotting scam artists.

What's shown by the Trump case is yet another example of the type of grifter political figure who trades on anti-immigration tirades.

Closer to home we could look at Johnson or Truss and their disastrous leaderships, plenty more examples all around Europe.

I welcome debate on immigration but plenty of politicians deal in scaremongering or quick-fix promises to appeal to a populist mob. Witness Trump's reaction speech after being found guilty.

“You have a [George] Soros-backed DA and the whole thing. We didn’t do a thing wrong. I’m a very innocent man.”

He went on to blame the Biden administration. “This was done by the Biden administration in order to wound or hurt a political opponent. And I think it’s just a disgrace. And we’ll keep fighting, we’ll fight to the end and we’ll win because our country’s gone to hell. We don’t have a country anymore.

“We have a divided mess. We’re a nation in decline, serious decline. Millions and millions of people pouring into our country right now from prisons, and from mental institutions, terrorists, and they’re taking over our country. We have a country that’s in big trouble, but this was a rigged decision right from Day 1 from a conflicted judge who should have never been allowed to try this case. Never.”

https://deadline.com/2024/05/donald-trump-speech-guilty-verdicts-1235945241/

These politicians are treating a sector of the populace as mugs who'll vote for anyone who promises to fix an immigration 'crisis' which they have inflated and misrepresented.

If we were actually interested in helping Africans, the most cost-effective way would be to do it in their own country. If the all in annual cost of supporting a Somalian in Ireland was €20k, then you could support about 40x that number if they remained in their own country (Somalian GDP per capita is €500).

Speaking of our Somali fisherman friend -

Sean Moncrieff was in Somalia late last year. The report was broadcast earlier this year. He met a woman and listened to how tough it was for her. It was seriously grim, the country is a kip. She hadn't a pot…things were bad, really bad. Sean innocently asked her via an interpreter how many children she had…a few seconds went by and the answer was 8

I switched off

Just had a scope on wiki -

Somalia's population is expanding at a growth rate of 1.75% per annum and a birth rate of 40.87 births per 1,000 people.[1] The total fertility rate of Somalia is 6.08 children born per woman (2014 estimates), the fourth highest in the world, according to the CIA World Factbook.[1]

And O'Gorman thought that sending out the invite directly to the Somalis (in their own language) to come to Ireland was a good idea

regardless if those tweets where aspirational or not why did he tweet them on global platform? why not do a town hall meeting at the DP or issue a leaflet.

They went out to the world and I have no doubht they were interpreted as a country that was very liberal and possibly offering a better life.

Also coupled with the fact that we known as a soft touch to every trafficker in the northern hemisphere.

I agree but I'm not sure if the current model of constantly giving aid to support exponential population growth is sustainable or desirable in any case. Nigeria alone is projected to have almost a billion people by the end of the century while populations decline everywhere outside Africa.

Expand it to the full EU, we owe random globetrotters nothing, let them try China and Russia, both facing demographic cliffs, let's see how they get on there.

Any resources should be targeted at the most vulnerable, not the most mobile and affluent relative to where they come from.

It is always deflection with you isnt it?

As i recall you referred to the comments of a barrister, senior council and former attorney general in relation to proposed changes to the constitution as nonsense. Which given the information that came out after the vote, from both the AG and various government departments, proved him to be correct.

But obviously i must be wrong and your understanding of legislation and the constitution is vastly superior to that of Senator McDowell's. Maybe it is he who should apologise to you given your holier than thou attitude.

Don't know if it was posted but Micky D wants office space to be used to house refugees.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/it-might-be-time-for-us-to-look-at-all-of-the-unused-office-space-president-higgins-offers-solution-to-refugee-accommodation-crisis/a1248932158.html