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Electric Picnic 2024 **No Ticket Sales / Requests** - Waiting in line, terrible time, over familiar

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭rubick


    Lads to be clear, you do not, in fact, have to hand it to Ticketmaster.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,747 ✭✭✭Fanirish


    same as non refundable hotel. Sure a hotel can easily resell the room if it’s a busy location. They still enforce it. No loss to the hotel in a lot of instances



  • Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭antfin


    I don't see the problem with forfeiting the ticket and not having previous installments returned. The schedule of payments is well known in advance and they give plenty of leeway on missed payments where people can make up the payment late. The fact that they even offer installments is probably a concession anyway seeing as they could have all the cash 12 months in advance anyway.

    Also, it wouldn't set a good precedent to allow people to just skip the final payment as an opt out with only the €10 penalty. It would be a kind of moral hazard situation. The logical thing to do for anyone not wanting or able to attend anymore is to make the final payment and then sell the ticket onwards.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,747 ✭✭✭Fanirish


    yeah exactly. You’d have the full amount in bank account in days



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Much of my training and part of my work was in contract law. The fact you’ve signed a contract is irrelevant. Once the contract is examined and found to be against the spirit of what is intended it falls down. As is the case with most housing rental contracts.

    In this case the court would almost certainly deem the holding of monies to be punitive and restore the cash to the claimant. To prevent that TM would avoid going to court and return the money when challenged whilst admitting no wrongdoing and put it down as a goodwill gesture. Thus it would not set a precedent in which they’d be required to return the monies to all those who had forfeited. TM can resell the ticket and the court would question why they’d made a double profit on the same ticket.

    What is required is a class action where hundreds of people would take them on. In this instance TM may be forced to do a volte face. If unconvinced please chat to a litigation lawyer/contract specialist. Not to a shill for TM who protect their own interests.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,008 ✭✭✭Wooderson




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,747 ✭✭✭Fanirish


    I studied law as well for years. There is no law in ireland that makes deposits/instalments legally refundable. the agreement of the terms and conditions is totally relevant and underpins the purchase of the concert or festival ticket. The contract says no refunds when customer falls to make all scheduled payments.
    court won’t entertain a case with no legal or contractual basis. Ticketmaster much like any hotel offering non refundable bookings set out in terms that it’s non refundable.
    They can off course on a discretionary basis change that but they aren’t legally required to give deposits/instalments back.

    again I’m not a shill but again your pretend something is against the law when it’s not.
    is it ethically dubious of ticketmaster, sure. But it’s not contractually or legally wrong for them to keep the money.
    same if you cancel a wedding band and they keep the deposit and they end up playing another wedding on the day you booked them for.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Firstly, I was not referring to you as a ‘shill’. I have never done so nor would do so. I believe it to be not only rude but inaccurate. I was suggesting that your defence of the sturdiness of the TM contract is wrong and urged you to discuss this with a contract/litigation specialist should would be balanced. And not ask a ‘shill’, ie someone who works in the legal department for TM or in a legal firm representing major promoters.

    Had you studied law in any depth you’d realise that drafting contracts is only a small part of Contract Law. Much of the remainder is tearing apart unlawful contracts and you’d be amazed how many of them are.
    In this instance TM are on shaky ground and wouldn’t allow a test case to proceed as they’d be unable to display how they’d lost income, but in fact profited hugely. Anyone taking a case against them will get paid off. Same happens when you legally challenge phone/media contracts, rental agreements etc. You almost always win. These firms don’t want the floodgates to open and will issue a few payouts as minor collateral. It’s a naively simplistic stance to believe that something in a contract is written in stone. It’s not.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭endainoz


    Why would "everyone be at it"? Post makes no sense. As seath said, circumstances can change for people. Easy to say just transfer the tickets but tick master are such fcuk nuggets they don't want to offer resale or transfer until closer to the gig, yet they do on full priced ones. Would love to know how much they make for nothing on missed payments on ticket installment plans.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,892 ✭✭✭Rfrip


    Just when I think this thread couldn’t get anymore bizarre



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭LowOdour


    I come for Calvin Harris hate, I stay for the contract law talk



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Basically we’ve got 2/3 posters justifying the theft of cash from people who ran out of funds. Gotta be challenged. Immorally wrong, and almost certainly legally wrong as anyone taking a case will discover.

    We ain’t in Tory Britain.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,192 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Nothing like dreams of Kylie to make grown men loose the run of themselves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 484 ✭✭DubLad69


    do the early entry passes sell out? Or can I buy them close to the day?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    In non-legalese developments I’ve just noticed that The Blades are playing Dolans the Saturday of EP. Could they be on the way to Jerry Fish or The Salty Dog?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭Dreamweapon


    For which i am eternally grateful. Fair play Mylo.

    Big on the all mouth and trousers scene



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭Fatfrog


    That Hopkins gig was amazing! Footage from Glasto15, similar if not identical set.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    Full swing, nothing stopped. Ambulance straight through the crowd.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    Did indeed, was always hoping they’d do the guitars and drums again but always a DJ set.

    Anyone at 2004 and stayed in the carpark will remember some guy with a transit and speakers attached to the doors, I couldn’t keep count but must have been close to 200bpm. It was tough.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    It's not like those tickets couldn't be resold because the line up is so stellar and in demand with young folk…

    Oh.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Resale tickets going in minutes. All of those instalment plan returned tickets would be gone in a morning. It seems our cohort may not be reflective of the national taste.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,587 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Ride, PJ Harvey, Pixies, Public Service Broadcasting, Therapy?, IDLES(x2)



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭Fatfrog




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Not a very big ransom demand. Amateurs getting lucky I’d guess.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭endainoz


    I thought the same, the scene in Austin powers comes to mind



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,577 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Waving my hands in the air.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users Posts: 488 ✭✭newbie18892


    Speaking of instalment tickets, are they transferable/resellable? one of my friends is likely no longer coming and her ticket is sitting on my ticketmaster account currently



  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭haitens


    Hi Seán,

    Thank you for your email.

    Ticket transfer opens a couple of weeks before the event, usually once all instalment tickets are fully paid for.

    Kind regards,

    Festival Republic

    Response from FR



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭Fatfrog


    10 wees to go, still lots of acts to be announced. I’m naively holding out for that silver bullet, the act that can redeem EP for the 20th!!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Ricosruffneck


    Have Sunday tickets been released? Just looking on TM and don't see them listed.



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