Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

18 YEARS AGO

Not 8, when he was not even in politics, that's when the alleged interaction with Trump occurred , and as for the payment, it was more to do with Melania not finding it in the media, and 10% about Election .

But the case was about the description in the books, what should he have put the payment down as, as to avoid this. He paid a lawyer, and someone in accounting put it down as a legal expensive. The Shock.

It's a nothing case, and should never have been brought, it's the lowest of the lowest crimes, it's like driving 1mph over the speed limit.

As for Biden, was he behind it.. does it matter, fact he never stopped it, it happened on his watch. He never stepped in, to tell those in New York '' STOP IT, This is not what America is about, you're killing me in the polls!, stop this now'' But it didn't , he watched on, cheered on, and here we are, Biden is tanking, and Trump gained 60 million in a few hours.

Uhh… there's no way Biden can step in and tell them to stop. This isn't Ireland.

CFTrump misused campaign funds in 2016 to cover up this affair. If he's such a 'certifiable genius,' he could've hired Stormy as 'special massage assistant' for TrumpCo (or got an underling like Weisselberg to do so) and no one would've noticed. It's the coverup that he has been convicted of. Probably hiring an idiot like Cohen - lest we forget, he's pretty stupid - wasn't a good idea.

Buddy. What happened 18 years ago is irrevelant. It's what happened regarding the hush money and the way he cooked the books so he didnt have to pay for it, 8 years ago. I gave you a timeline and everything!

What about my questions though?

Is Trump above the law?

Is Trump capable of breaking the law?

If it's that Trump can break the law, how can he be prosecuted fairly in your eyes? Will you only accept a verdict from people that say, live in Mar-A-Lago?

I'm pretty certain a big stumbling block is that you have to admit guilt to receive a pardon. I could be wrong on that.

Criteria for a pardon in NY state, and it doesn't appear that he would meet it

You're right, completely forgot about the federal element for a pardon. It makes the posters asks of Biden even more nonsensical.

And Donald J Trump's presence at, and involvement in, the discussions around how to set up the hush money payoff to Stormy Daniels, and how the payment was to be hidden by fake accounting in his business books. It's worth recalling that his former lawyer was not the only witness to the presence and involvement of Trump in the discussion. No one from his defence team seem to have called the testimony on the involvement of Trump from the National Inquirer gent into question in the way they did with Cohen.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post but it looks like you think Trump gained from the trial result against him, even though he declined to put his own side of the story forward directly after telling the public that he would do so. He could have given direct testimony that he was not involved in, nor gave instructions to those representing him, at the meeting to make fake accounting entries in his business accountancy books but instead declined to do so.

He also had, and still has, the constitutional right not to give testimony which might tend to incriminate himself under the 5th amendment. It's entirely possible that he felt it personally impossible to use that right as he made it publicly clear in the past what he thought of people who chose to use that right.

Interestingly it is the exact sort of crime you would go after the swamp for.

A very key and purposefully stated comment by Trump at his Trump Towers conference was when he said that They have got me On false information and if they can get me being an ex POTUS they can get you. BUT if you vote me in I will make sure that that does not happen - or words to that effect.

If you look at the UTube re Finnish Intellegence Officer Martti Kari on USSR/RU you will note that one of the three legged stool that keeps the dictator there in power for over the last 1000+ years is the strategy that he will ‘look after’ all the civilians, so mind your own business and do’nt even ever think about threatening me. You just continue on milking your cows / sowing your crops and leave it with me to protect you. I WOnDER IF THAT IS WHERE TRUMP GOT THE IDEA

Morals? GQP?

Shirley hugest.

"What’s the big deal about bribing Stormy Daniels? But I want a president who’s going to be able to cover up a $130,000 bribe to Daniels,” Ben said. “If he can’t pull that off, I’m not going to trust him with the nuclear football. This seems like such an easy thing for him to screw up. I’m kind of leaning toward Biden now.”

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Regardless of what happens, that country is f*cked. Morals have been defenestrated, just so they can all hail the mighty dollar.

Rather depressing really.

It would appear that former president Trump's habit of sticking to the truth when speaking publicly is as good as ever. Speaking at a Las Vegas rally on Sunday over the weekend, he labelled the comments dating from 2018 that he called US soldiers who died in WW1 "suckers and losers" as "disinformation" reported by "fake news", saying “Think of it from a practical standpoint, I’m standing there with generals and military people, in a cemetery and I look at them, I say, ‘These people are suckers and losers,’” he began.

“Now, think of it,” he continued, “unless you’re a psycho or a crazy person or a very stupid person—who would say that anyway—but who would say it to military people?”

Several important points stand out in respect to his weekend denial of his 2018 words, the first being that no media source claimed he was in a French cemetery in 2018 when he made the comments about the US WW1 war dead, the second is that no one said, or tried to infer, that he was standing with generals and military people in a cemetery in 2018 when he spoke the words, the last point being that he did not, in fact, attend at the French cemetery in 2018 because he reportedly feared his hair would be disturbed by the bad weather there.

The actual report in The Atlantic Magazine in 2020 stated Trump passed the comment "Why should I go to that cemetery? it's filled with losers" to staffers. General John Kelly stood in for Trump at the ceremony at the cemetery, later telling CNN, a different media source, that Trump had made the reported comment about the US war dead.

It's good that Trump should be allowed continue to resurrect things from the past that would better his campaign if they were left rest in peace at this particular time of commemorations for the US war dead from both world wars.

The fact that it is open to all the people to record and fact-check all of his statements [oral and written] seems to be something he is deliberately ignorant of, including those currently on his own "Truth Social" site.

The problem for the US is that many of his supporters are also deliberately ignoring the fact-check power open to them where it comes to his statements and fake news lies. Its a while since one of his fellow presidents allegedly claimed "I cannot tell a lie". So far, Trump has not likened himself to that particular president, however….