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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    I have for a long time, just 3 weeks and I don't bother with heifers anymore, for a few reasons. I find it's very easy and convenient. I wouldn't bother if I'd over 120 cows unless there was help around.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 dairyedge


    I’m milking 50 cows and the last 2 years I find I’ve no money left to do simple investments on the farm once all the bills are paid and had times when if everyone came looking for money at the same time I’d be in the red. I’m also considering my future.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭cosatron




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    I was that soldier not been properly paid for my time so I pulled the plug and got handy 35 hour week .Only plan doing a bit of hobby beef farming going forward Plenty of jobs available away from the scuttery cows ,no one that got out of cows seems to be sorry after them anyway



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,833 ✭✭✭older by the day


    Ya it's the inflation of the past couple of years is killing the small business.

    To be honest my income last year, is looking like 45000, 20k of that is grants and glas. So 25000 for 365 days a year is pretty sickening, I do everything except the pit silage. A small bit of maintenance and Repairs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 223 ✭✭Danny healy ray


    the amount of lads getting out of dairying is gone off the scale around castleisland killarney area creamery quarry agri stores are going to feel it in a big way



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭morphy87


    Are you both happy in what you’re doing? If so money isn’t everything, I know people doing five days a week but with long commutes and they hate it but they have mortgages to be paid

    I also know a rep that visits a lot of pharama plants and he said that the people he encounters look miserable,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,665 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    The crap weather made alot of people's minds up. Be interesting to see if the creameries streamline their operations or if they'll continue to screw the already overstretched supplier to make up for the shortfall in supply



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 dairyedge


    I haven’t enjoyed farming in a good while, find it’s not getting any easier. I’d have to under take a big farm development to satisfy the county council, don’t see how it would add up. It’s relying on contractors, milking machine men, casual workers etc these days I find impossible. People don’t care anymore about coming on doing work. I requested my milking machine serviced since last November and I’m stilling waiting. Asked for silage cut 2 weeks ago and nothing happening. Your doing well getting someone on the phone.All those things just add’s to the stress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Well there's no reason to stay at it if it doesn't suit you, is causing you stress, and isn't paying its way. Be honest with whoever you have to talk to and do what's right for yourself and your family.

    Don't hesitate to contact the mart or whatever way you chose to sell, it'll only be news for a week.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    By the way, in case I haven't taken you up right, I'm assuming you're considering your future in dairy farming and/or other work/life balance issues.

    If you're feeling depressed or thinking of suicide, please contact someone and tell them, a friend, family member, a doctor or the samaritans etc.

    A trouble shared is a trouble halved



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,643 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    There's a bit of an epidemic of suicides ongoing in this part of the country atm. Whatever the rest of the country is like. Hope it's better than around here anyway.

    I think it's everything. The weather hardships, probably debts ran up, toxic positivity (it's a real thing and the people themselves tend to be bipolar), social media (adv and disadvantages), stresses from council which is government on pollution control measures that often make no sense, anti livestock in media and no defence from government or advisory services, price of concrete and development from carbon tax add ons, covid ramifications (I think people are lagging in energy than they were pre covid), constant talk of climate change doom ( there's no light at the end of the tunnel presented, probably same goes for the wars and people access to social media showing footage of people being blown up, it's akin to the watcher being there themselves) , diet of foods is probably getting worse in people too with more and more processed making larger and larger daily intakes, lack itself of vitamin D in people and that's back to weather again (but the first is the downright sloggery of livestock and farming and health in bad weather).

    Whatever all though. Suicide is never an answer to anything bar maybe terminal cancer. I often think how many billions of years has this earth been here and this life and consciousness hasn't been a part of it. And how many billions of years may go by again and your conscious may not come back again to it if there ever is reincarnation. There's religion of course and faith. But who knows. Could be the nothing again.

    There is always ways out of 99% of predicaments in this country. There is a social service in this country. It's not Angola we live in. It's not the end of the world like the other is. We all should embrace as much of it as we can. One page of your life may look grim. But turn the next page and it looks better and there's something else learned or amusing on it. And that's before you get to the next chapter.

    It would be some acknowledgement by the government that there is pressure on dairy farmers atm particularly the smaller ones. And policies they are dreaming up are not helping.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 dairyedge


    thanks for your concern, it’s farming future I’m considering, nothing more. It does obviously affect one’s mental health given the demands farming has on you. My dr strongly advised me to quit farming a few years ago, told me he sees a lot of farmers that are burnt out from it which I think I suffer with, burn out. I’ve a new policy come hell or high water (seen plenty of that) I’m going on a holiday once a year when cows are dried off.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭green daries


    In my opinion they are going to really double down on screwing us if they get away with it but there's a tipping point for lads and they will kick or get out heard of an adviser (wasn't being the nicest about calling out and was intending on doing a dairy inspection whilst there )in roscommon area being ran clean out of a lads yard. (i would call him level headed enough)

    Came out cos his lorry driver was cribbing about things left in his way (very poor driver ) and the farmer told them he had enough leaches about the place and was putting the herd up for sale. Area manager and store manager had to call to smooth things over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,665 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    There's too many people making a living off the farmer's back. Too many pen pushers, things have been pushed too far. You can't go to your bank anymore for financial help, they drag their heels and fob you off. Cant get a doctor's appointment to discuss any problems. People have had enough and rightly so



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Well definitely the bad Spring got to a lot of lads. Was at the ICMSA county AGM about 6 or 8 weeks ago. Was supposed to start at 8.00 but didn't until 8.30. Anyway it was about 8.15 when I got there and normally at these things when you go in they would all be standing around at the back chatting, blowing s,,t. But they were all sitting down as quiet as mice.

    And usually during the meeting some few lads would pipe up complaining about something. But that night not a word out of anyone. It struck me as being very strange. I guess lads were just worn out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭green daries


    Plus one on the pen pushers and as for the the banks ....…forget about them shower



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭green daries


    That's a very worrying sign ...... would agree with your thoughts on being worn out .....to add I wonder is all the changes and uncertainty on top of the attempt by the media to portray us as criminals and in a negative light seeping into the mindset



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,833 ✭✭✭older by the day


    Well will Ye vote for to put the likes of Sean Kelly, Billy kelleher and Co. back so. O



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,873 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I'll vote to put them back somewhere but not in Brussels .



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  • Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭daiymann 5


    Problem with alot of farms is there kips badly laid out yard poor health ebi cowd prone to mastitis lameness bad udders hard to milk as heifers.Small calves been fed forever to get them saleable.All these things add up oh and the best one letting cows out for a few hours no wonder lads are worn out



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,873 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Sure aren't lads here giving you advice for a long time on how to straighten your show up and straighten you up, at least they and you are trying that, something in that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭green daries


    Ya some are definitely my own could do with more straining out .......I think it's a lot of factors. I know you're being half serious along with looking for a reaction ....but all your points have weight in there own right it will be different in different yards but I simply think it's three things are getting to lads is in no particular order

    money or the lack of it

    Labour or the lack of it

    And weather (bastardof a spell going on nearly 15 months around here minus the good month last june ). In my opinion it's combinations of the above that's making all the normal problems seem insurmountable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭ginger22


    And the gas thing is all these boyos are in the media now calling for reduced red tape after introducing it all in the first place. Two face cnuts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭daiymann 5


    I bought a fair tract of land in me day lad .If others could have done the same after the crash instead of building parlour and the likes theyd be better of now instead of whinging wheret it all went wrong



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,643 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    You really are a dope.

    Your previous post was complaining of bad yards and bad parlours.

    And now this of building parlours and the likes as you put it and you are whinging yourself in every post.

    Do you not read your own posts? You make no sense. Self praise is no praise. Only makes you more of a dope to read.

    I posted of actual people taking the ultimate step in taking their own lives and you come out with these troll posts. What are you even here for?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    Are you the kind who’s milking 200 cows in an 8 unit parlour. No wonder it pains you that you can’t get a few students to make your life a little easier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Is there suicide awareness courses being run in your locality? It is contagious in the sense that it occurs in sporadic clusters, lots of copycat type incidents when one or two kick off. While there's individual reasons and deeper analysis to each tragic case, I've seen it time and time again where it runs through a small district for about 2 years. I remember when I was in my mid 20s I knew (I mean personally knew, not new of) 5 young people who died from suicide, all in their 20s. I don't think there has been one such case locally since. There was another bout of it in about 10 miles away a few years back.

    Knowing the signs and what to say can help prevent some instances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    That's a common theme, and I think the farm organisations are guilty enough of pushing it to encourage the feeling of victimisation and to create a siege mentality at times. There's very few votes in positivity.

    But I think that it's a small enough factor after, and this malaise or gloom is not confined to dairy farming either. I would have no personal issue with the current rules and regs, in fact they suit me quote well. I consider myself as having very pragmatic, realistic, and resilient personality, (maybe to my own detriment at times!), and last week was the first time I ever said to my wife that I felt like a failure as a farmer.

    We've had later springs but this past winter has been draining.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,665 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    It's The usual bank holiday posting shite to get a reaction . Hopefully people have better things to do than rise to his drivel



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