Shannon Water for Dublin?

It's not Dublners' fault if you can't get your **** together

When Dublin wanted electricity, they dammed the Shannon and then shipped most of the power from Ardnacrusha back to Dublin. Now, not satisfied with just the elecricity the water made, Dublin want's the water as well.

Lets face it, the only version of Ireland that made sense was when Killaloe was the capital, not the illogical version where a Norse viking slave trading compound was expanded beyond it's means.

Just going to nip this mythical fallicy that Dublin costs money in the bud. Dublin costs the rest of the country Z€RO. Everything in Dublin and further afield is payed for by Dublin and when it comes to water extraction the city will foot the bill for all taking avail of it.

Absolutely agree that there should be a counterbalance. In the West or MidWest, but there just doesn't seem to be an appetite for it. We've had centuries of leaders from every part of the country but all of them seem to be content with Dublin being the capital and suckling off it's teat.

LOL

No it's NOT a fact.

Dublin does not suck resources from the rest of the country, the rest of the country is sucking revenue out of Dublin!

The Shannon stopover was one of the worst acts of economic self-sabotage in our country's history. The whole country suffered for the benefit of one small town. Crazy.

Can you substantiate your claim about EU funds? Doubtful.

Ireland does not need another city. We should be encouraging the other cities to develop, but we have a remarkably anti-urban legislature and a mentality that unsustainable, car-dependent, environment-destroying one-off housing is somehow desirable.

The water would be treated, same as water coming from any other river. The objections get sillier and sillier.

If Dublin is the countries economic hub, if it was to retain the money it spreads around the counties the rest of the country would flounder in a matter of months, it's a stupid, financially unviable idea. It's almost as stupid as your idea of taking water from the Shannon via canals!

Dublin accounts for €157 billion of the country’s Gross Domestic Product, which equates to 42% of the national figure.

The population of the Dublin City and County (Dublin City, Fingal, South
Dublin and Dún Laoghaire–Rathdown) and Outer Greater Dublin (Meath,
Kildare and Wicklow) as of the 2022 census was 2,082,605 persons. This equates to 40.5% of Ireland's population.

With the population and GDP percentages basically being about the same, this implies that it's unlikely Dublin is propping up the rest of the country given 58% of the GDP must be coming from the other 59.5% of the population.

Dublin and the East Coast is hyper developed when you consider that the 2 largest cities outside of Dublin are not connected with a motorway between them.

Ireland for such a small place is too centralised with no power being devolved to the provinces.

That's because Dublin is a top tourist attraction. Americans want to see the capital, then it's a very short trip (by American standards) to Mayo. People don't want to fly in to Shannon, they want to fly in to Dublin, that's where the business is and it's the cultural epicentre of the country.

Busman didn't put those links up, but anyway, no, if you read back on my posts I said that the cities support the hinterlands in Ireland. Cork is no exception, a powerhouse supporting the region. Cork County and Dublin are exceptional for business and generating money.

I've stated multiple times that the M20 is an essential piece of infrastructure, but that changes nothing in relation to the poor return Dubliners get on their taxes.

That sort of stuff goes down well with a certain audience unfortunately, and the whole country suffers as a result.

That's good work and fair play to you for going the extra mile to follow that up.

Without the requisite data we too must ignore simple claims that Dublin gets everything, and the country outside the M50 suffers.

Nobody other than a few begrudging cranks are going to complain about supplying water to half the population. Of course it got cabinet approval, we've being trying to tell you this for throughout the thread, even your own survey told you that.

Agreed, we need a swing city. A counteracting economic & cultural hub. However this thread was set up to discuss the success of Shannon water to the East.

The counties mentioned to you numerous times still need water and it will come from the Shannon.

Absolutely the Shannon needs to be protected and looked after. It's a jewel of the nation and the nation will look after it & be responsible for it. There are already lots of eyes on the river, the Shannon Flood Risk State Agency Co-ordination Working Group comes under the chairmanship of the OPW in Dublin. Its members are at Chief Executive Officer level or equivalent, representing the following State Agencies: OPW, ESB, IFI, DHLGH, Bord na Móna, EPA, Irish Water and Local Authorities, represented by the CCMA Waterways Ireland, Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine, so lots of agencies looking after the Shannon.

A maximum of 2% of the average flow will be extracted from a river that's currently overflowing and flooding houses every year.

We can certainly agree on the importance of the Shannon.

Over the years the proliferation of agencies you mention has often proved more of a hindrance than a help.

My point though was that the involvement of various interests, local communities, environmental groups etc. in the abstraction process is to be welcomed not dismissed.

You probably know that the volumes proposed for abstraction will have no effect on flooding.

Involving some environmental groups would be OK. Local communities, not too sure about that one. Could turn into a series of groups looking for cash.