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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,536 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    The Zimbabwean lads trial is kicking off back in Zimbabwe now.

    Some info is coming out now about why he was deported to Mozambique too by the Irish government, his fake papers were from there. The idiot guards and government even after being told who he was wouldn't even double check, they just "can't speak on particulars" or some other such none sense and then help him make another getaway with his fake papers.

    Luckily he got caught in Mozambique and they deported him to Zimbabwe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Perhaps start building large scale social housing schemes, like the state did every other time there was a housing crisis in this country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    You do realise there are rules, and instances were people will not be eligible for refugees status, including war crimes, genocide and the likes, ya know? The legislation has been linked here many times, if you care to give it a read.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,724 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Where will the state accommodate the numbers of refugees and undocumented migrants until that happens? Tent encampments is the best these migrants can expect.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Deflection from the point BAAB

    I pointed out the misinformation in that posters post to another which you have taken and run with .Nice try .



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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,860 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Maybe read it again GG, particularly the piece I quoted. They want this property in addition to that which is already being used by government agencies, and for social housing.

    Now where else might such housing come from? I'll give you a hint - property which is in the private rental sector, or the general housing market. They are even open to property currently under construction or in brand new developments, or housing that requires refurbishment to be habitable.

    And while they may not yet be asking for housing from the student sector, the summer months are upon us and we have already seen last year that there was no hesitation in acquiring traditional student accommodation for the new arrivals.

    Also, I think you'll find that I generally link to an article I quote from - if I recall right it's a site requirement and only a portion can be directly pasted. Feel free to check that one with the mods.

    I'll write the petulant and personal tone of your response off to a bad day (which is a shame on such a nice one), but next time do read what you're replying to before you jump in with an attitude.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Nothing petulant except your response .

    I read the post and link and that portion qualifies the statement you obliquely quoted

    Why not make reference to it?

    Don't start insulting people now just because they point out an omission .



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    So long as the encampments have facilities, washing, toilets, social areas, there is nothing wrong with that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,860 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Ah GG. I expected better really.

    You ARE aware that the housing market isn't just social, student and government agency right?

    There's also entire blocks of apartments in the private sector owned by investment funds, housing estates, and others that people who don't qualify for social housing rely on to keep a roof over their heads too.

    They don't need housing already under the control of government agencies or used currently for social housing because they can already use those for the purpose of resettling new arrivals if they choose/are mandated to.

    This is a very fluid situation as we've all witnessed over the last 2/3 years as Government have scrambled to address a problem entirely of their own making by renting hotels and other commercial buildings, offering financial incentives to property owners and landlords, and even large scale tented accommodation and supports in places like Stradbally.

    If you think that anything with a roof that they have easy access to or control over isn't already under consideration then you haven't been paying attention.

    But, there's elections on the way and these must be "dispensed" with first before normal service (as we've seen over the last 2 years) can be resumed on this issue. Only if they get enough of a shock and kicking at the polls is there a chance of the sounds-good-soundbites and tinkering at the edges of the controls currently underway becoming actually effective, and a real conversation on the future of Ireland's level of involvement possible.

    The increasing support for independent candidates in the latest polls suggests that many have no faith in the current parties to resolve this or any other of the serious issues facing our country. While this may lead to political changes and potential instability in the short term if the polls translate to results, it will force the big 2 to reconsider their positions if they want to remain in power.

    SF are already paying for their stance based on the same polls. FG and FF are a little more savvy than that. They may not like it, just as they didn't with the Irish Water climb down, but party survival and member self interest will always win out. Why else is Harris talking tough on enforcing controls and rules? It's not because he and the others have belatedly realised there's a problem, it's because their political survival is threatened.

    Ultimately that's what it comes down to - not assisting refugees, not the Green agenda, not anything else. Pure, basic politics.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭Kingslayer


    Rodders has come out of hiding briefly to call us far right racists and brag about his spuds. What a plonker!



  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭Blind As A Bat


    I'm not trying to be a smart arse Goldie - I am also a 'lovely girl' btw :) Over the course of your posts you've said a lot of things that show you're what I'd call a 'normal' person .

    I'm also what I hope is normal, not a rabid, far-right racist but I am worried about where we are heading and I'm really not happy about the thousands of men descending on Ireland at the moment and the projections of perhaps up to 30,000 of them this year alone.

    I don't think you're being entirely fair to Kaiser who is a very intelligent, reflective person and speaks a lot of common sense. He also is far from being a nutjob racist.

    On that subject though, I really don't think I or any other Irish person should have to apologise for wanting to live in a community that reflects who we are. It's not 'strange' or weird for an Irish person, a French person, a Greek person to want to live among their own people. I don't think any of us objects to foreign nationals coming here to work or study in moderate numbers. I don't think most of us object to some foreigners settling here permanently. I think we as a people have shown a warm welcome and compassion to the many true refugees who have come here over the years.

    And when you look at our history of reaching out to those in need all over the world, we are among the most caring people on the planet. For example for years we were the only people who gave a toss about the children of Chernobyl. I remember a Ukrainian doctor in Chernobyl saying 'It's a miracle - how can so small a country have so big a heart?' I think that's why Irish people now are absolutely furious at how we are being taken advantage of and condescended to, told what nasty, bad, selfish people we are - really and truly adding insult to injury.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    'I really don't think I or any other Irish person should have to apologise for wanting to live in a community that reflects who we are.'

    Actively blocking people of other nationalities living in their area should be apologised for.

    And when you look at our history of reaching out to those in need all over the world, we are among the most caring people on the planet. 

    Its fairly clear that the Irish are very caring, so long as those in need don't expect much help actually in Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭Blind As A Bat


    Complete bollocks based on our track record of welcoming refugees in the past.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users Posts: 16,133 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Because we know that a good percentage of those arriving now are not refugees from war perhaps

    Most people I know feel that we are being taken advantage of and are reluctant to help now

    My big concern is that those in real genuine need are not getting the help because they are competing with financial migrants



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,607 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Madness.

    The fact that these rapists were aware of this loophole suggests they are getting legal assistance, presumably from an NGO or maybe even the likes of PBP or Labour?

    Both men, who are on the sex offenders register, walked free on their release date and disappeared. The average processing time of asylum applications is approximately 18 months, meaning they are effectively free until then.

    If that wasn't bad enough, these two rapists have disappeared and are roaming the country. Even if they are found, we will be stuck with them for 18 (!!!) months as it will take that long to have their claim processed.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Well, genuine refugees are still being brought into the country as part of the IRPP. And of course Ukrainian refugees are allowed in.

    The asylum system is different. There isn't much that can be done, other then speeding up the process and trying to deport those who are not given leave to remain.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    We've have taken in waaaaaaaaaay over our fair share. It's time to help ourselves for once.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Have we though? Do you think we have taken more asylum seekers then others in Europe?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,581 ✭✭✭jackboy


    We are beyond capacity, that's what matters. We are now actively destroying our tourism industry and making the housing crises worse. Its got so bad the government have started mistreating the Ukranians to get them out of the country to free up space for others.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭Tipperary animal lover


    In what context are you asking this question? Per capita? Land mass?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,666 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Both men, who are on the sex offenders register, walked free on their release date and disappeared. The average processing time of asylum applications is approximately 18 months, meaning they are effectively free until then. Gardai could then only serve them with a deportation order if their applications were rejected. 

    After The Sunday Times alerted the IPO and the Department of Justice to the loophole in mid-April, a GNIB team, under laws allowing them to detain someone if they pose a threat to public safety and security, searched for the men and brought them before a judge. Both men were jailed, but the Pakistani rapist later obtained a High Court bail and is free pending his claim for asylum. He must sign daily at a Garda station and be of good behaviour.

    The Albanian man was detained but released soon afterwards in a suspected blunder by the authorities. After a second manhunt for him, the man said he was withdrawing his asylum application and would return home voluntarily. GNIB officers accompanied him to Germany and from there he was watched or “shadowed” until he got on a flight to Albania.

    One senior immigration officer said yesterday: “Both of these men would be walking about unmonitored had The Sunday Times not alerted authorities to the loophole. As it is, the Albanian eventually went back on his own free will, and the Pakistani rapist only got bail under the strictest of conditions.


    Unreal. So it took a (British?) newspaper to alert the IPO and the Department of Justice that these convicted sex offenders would be walking around freely after release (as they didn’t seem to realise that for themselves!), and only because of The Times did one of the rapist eventually agree to self deport. It’s embarrassing!

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    And it's not that long since he ran with the hare either...

    Here he is in 2021 welcoming the amnesty for existing IPAs.

    Funny to see the anti-immigration brigade call him out back then for 'opening the doors' in the middle of a housing crisis.

    https://m.facebook.com/MichaelMcNamaraTD/photos/a.397385680290974/5128969280465900/?type=3



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    So it's about time the government start to do something about the housing crisis!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,130 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles




  • Registered Users Posts: 23,708 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Ireland is the oddest country in the world when it comes to basic security of the state. We have never taken our security seriously and you see it across everything from the defence forces to the police to immigration etc…

    Really strange mindset that leaves us hopelessly vulnerable to abuse and fraud.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,581 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Yes, it is about time. However, until they do we are not in a position to assist further large numbers of asylum seekers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Oh so the housing crisis is a figment of everyone's imagination is it? The one that has been growing since the 90s, thanks to governments outsourcing social housing to private developers. That doesn't exist does it?

    Over 14,000 homeless on the social housing list. Not to mention God knows how many thousands of 'hidden homeless ' stuck in parents/friends spare rooms. They don't exist either?

    And you think there's an issue with 13,000 asylum seekers being housed in DP centres?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    But they are two different things.

    Asylum seekers are housed in DP centres, or not at all atm, just being handed tents. So why can't the government start doing something about the housing crisis?



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