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German police officer dies after stabbing on Friday

  • 02-06-2024 8:35pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,882 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0602/1452698-germany-police-officer/

    A man attacked and wounded several people with a knife on Friday at the market square in the city of Mannheim in southwest Germany. Five people taking part in a rally organised by Pax Europa, a campaign group against radical Islam, were wounded in the attack.

    The policeman was "stabbed several times in the area of the head" while trying to intervene, local police said in a statement. Immediately following the attack, he underwent "emergency surgery and was put in an artificial coma", but "died of his injuries", police said

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,258 ✭✭✭Be right back


    ..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Last thread closed to prevent discussion of the background of the attacker and its implications, so expect the same here in a few minutes



  • Registered Users Posts: 10 JohnnyMonitor


    Is this the one where a member of the public tackled the stabber, the policeman arrested the tackler for taking the law into their own hands, and then got stabbed himself?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,722 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    No, it was closed because it descended into racist chaos inside 3 posts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭Jizique


    There was an interesting discussion about the changing demographics of German cities and its impact



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Kurooi


    RTE meticulously crafted that headline



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,687 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    That's one version but I saw a video on twitter from another angle where it seems like the policeman tackled the guy in the blue jacket who had mistakenly attacked an innocent bystander.

    (The video below may be upsetting, so don't click on it if you don't want to see it. I don't know how to do spolier tags for twitter.)

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Correct. It was pandemonium once the lad with the knife attacked though. Sad to see the cop die. It just goes to show how quickly these things can happen once it kicks off. The cop looked like a huge guy but the human body is fragile.



  • Registered Users Posts: 868 ✭✭✭purifol0


    Video I sas a few days ago was fantastic quality and really gave you a fair view of it all. That is a rarity. The one of Gearge Nchenku in Blanch a few years back was not, and yet people claimed it was all they needed to determine if his shooting dead by Gardai in Blancharstown was justified. Its been several years but FINALLY our police have bodycams.

    RIP to the Deutsch cop and god love the stabbed and visibly bleeding victim he was arresting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    Jesus Christ. I regret looking at that video. RIP to the unfortunate policeman, likely leaving a young family fatherless.

    Meanwhile. the German authorities are deeply concerned with young people singing L’amour toujours in bars and nightclubs. Priorities..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,882 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Theyve banned it at Octoberfest...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭thegame983


    F**king hell.

    Stabbing the cop in the back of the head when he wasn't even looking at him.

    Sub human scum.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I believe it’s because the guy in blue had gotten hold of the knife by the time the other police arrived, so they had to detain him initially.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,528 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    It turned into another outpouring of frustration at the inability of elements of Islam to integrate into western societies who have done nothing but welcome them over the last few decades despite repeated acts of unprovoked barbarism.

    If somebody said to me that all Muslims are just like the guy who carried out that attack I'd tell them to cop on, however it is not racist to identify correctly that his actions were predicated on his religious beliefs and how much of an issue that is at a time when unprecedented numbers of other young guys from similar backgrounds/countries are generously being granted asylum in Europe, asylum that is not granted to them by their neighbouring Islamic nations it should be pointed out.

    I'm gutted for that cop, his family and colleagues, the attack on him was animalistic and beyond comprehension.

    There is an enormous issue with fundamentalist Islam in Europe and fear of causing offence can't continue to allow a breeding ground for this type of thing to happen.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 10 JohnnyMonitor


    The cop prioritized an unarmed man over an armed one who was in the middle of a stabbing spree, if a dumb redneck cop in the states did it the ACAB crowd would be mocking him rn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,882 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    What happened in the end? Was it just a couple of hunters out poaching or was there more to it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭highpitcheric


    Yes it is.

    He had a very brief opportunity to react. In the split seconds and chaos he made a decision and it worked out badly.

    Im very opposed to more mid-east immigration in europe, but the sht ive seen about this incident, relishing in the guys one poor decision as though he personally was going out of his way to implement woke politics and got what he deserved is just so lame.

    I wouldn't associate with the losers who are giggling at the death of someone who was doing an important job and made one bad split second call. The guy who he pushed off the jihadi was (rightly) boxing the head off our bearded pal on the ground. The default of the police is to stop that kind of thing, regardless, because they just can't know whats going down in the split seconds. Nobody could.

    Im glad the other officer put a round right in the beards chest, hope it hurt and glad hes gone as a problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 578 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    The RTÉ headline 😂😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    Great post. If there’s one positive outcome here, it’s the female police officer permanently neutralising that savage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,528 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    It's at parody levels now.

    We've reached a point where any discussion of the bleedin obvious is forbidden.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 868 ✭✭✭purifol0




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,882 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Got this from a link from the Wikipedia article on it, via Google translate

    The public prosecutor assumes that 38-year-old Andreas S. shot both police officers near Ulmet on January 31. They had originally accused 32-year-old Florian V. of also shooting. The public prosecutor dropped this accusation against Florian V. on Tuesday. They now accuse Andreas S. of having committed both murders. He is a trained marksman. Andreas S.'s fingerprints were found on both weapons, a shotgun used to kill the 24-year-old police cadet and a hunting rifle from which three shots were fired that fatally hit the 29-year-old police officer. But none of Florian V.'s. The latter remains in custody, however. The public prosecutor now accuses the 32-year-old of commercial poaching at night and obstruction of justice. His lawyer Christian Kessler said: "This new arrest warrant is obviously unlawful" because it is not justified in view of the expected punishment for his client.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭lmao10


    If it wasn't a Muslim or an immigrant then no.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    This is another low point for integration in Europe. How many more lives will be lost before the inevitable change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,859 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    The officer was stabbed several times in the head and neck.

    A 25-year-old suspect from Afghanistan was shot and wounded at the scene.

    He remains in hospital and a judge has ordered he be held on suspicion of attempted murder.

    Police and prosecutors have not publicly suggested any possible motive for the attack.

    However, it happened during an event organised by German far-right group Pax Europa.

    ..

    https://news.sky.com/story/germany-knife-attack-police-officer-dies-of-his-injuries-13147046





  • The question has to be asked and I certainly think it's a valid one in today's environment.

    How ready would the Gardai be to respond to a similar incident in one of our population centres?

    I wouldn't have much faith - they could barely protect our Taoiseach from some eejits today.

    RIP to the police officer. The attack was brutal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,175 ✭✭✭Augme


    As we saw with the recent mass stabbing in Austrailia. When a white man does it, then it is a case of an isolated incident down to mental health but when a Muslim person is the perpretrator it is a case that they are all the same and they can't integrate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Are you accusing @suvigirl of deflecting? 😂

    This stabbing was another low point for Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,859 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Would the Parnell Square stabbings in Dublin in November 2023 be closet to happen here which then lead to the riots and that whole incident was handled badly, unprepared Gardai etc.,

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    We don't really have lads in Ireland who stand out openly talking bad about islam. No doubt their lives would be in danger so will take a very brave man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,137 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    So if people talk bad of Islam they are fair game to be attacked?

    The Catholic Church has been ripped to bits with criticism for decades but you don't see catholics stabbing indiscriminately or driving vans through crowds.

    They need to learn to accept a bit of criticism without going nuclear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Iecrawfc


    Read that headline and report and you would get the impression it was the 'anti-islam' protestors that done the stabbing...it's no wonder people are turning to the right and alternative media when you see the 'establishment' telling outright lies to people, just report what happened and stop the gas lighting and innuendo to make a political point...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,776 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump




  • Registered Users Posts: 10 JohnnyMonitor


    "giggling and relishing" how disingenuous can you get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭highpitcheric




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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭lmao10


    The fake disgust post was coming like clockwork.

    The poster does make a good point that it's only crimes by immigrants or muslims that some people care about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭highpitcheric


    because theres good reason to believe that they are motivated by an ideology.

    which is far more dangerous than crimes motived by diverse reasons.

    try it with the far right as an example.

    1. man in serious condition after attack by muggers.
    2. man in serious condition after attack by neo-nazi marchers.

    Both have the same outcome. One of them infers something sinister and of scale happening in wider society. Motive matters. The law very much focuses on motives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Iecrawfc


    Maybe because the crimes committed by immigrants are avoidable whereas home grown crime has complex and diverse causes?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,486 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Shooting cop hesitated, visibly so. People complain about how US cops are trigger happy, and to an extent they are, but it's unlikely a US cop would have have given an armed man the opportunity to continue stabbing. Reaction times are just too long for a "wait and see" approach. Even when ready, it's a quarter to a third of a second.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,258 ✭✭✭Be right back


    Another video from a different angle.

    https://x.com/ivanahiinion/status/1796854783812538539



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭highpitcheric


    Easy to critique a life or death call from ones armchair.

    didnt some u.s.cops sit outside that texas school shooting and twiddle their badass merican thumbs for a couple of hours.

    And I watched a video of shaniqua (rip) putting a few rounds in a u.s. cop just the other day. That was after being chased, allowed back in her car, twice tazed and told to drop it. While clearly reaching.

    I must admit i made some armchair police chief judgements about u.s. cops myself that day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,812 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    That RTE article is something else. You've got to read several paragraphs in before they hint the attacker was an Islamist.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    If anyone wants to know why some people consider RTE fake news then read this article. BBC was the same "attacker" was mentioned and "far-right". Sure anyone will mistrust the BBC after reading that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭prunudo


    This will happen here too, the government, gardai and media are tying themselves in knots painting concerned Irish citizens as the problem. I just hope they put as much effort into dealing with the trouble makers we are importing vs the heavy handed tactics to intimidate those with opposing views.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,169 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Can you give an example of the heavy handed tactics that intimidate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Not allowed discuss cases before the courts, boards rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,169 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    How convenient. I wonder why these cases are before the courts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    Exactly, some guy comes in and destroys his passport, won’t tell anyone where he is from and immediately claims asylum. Then goes on to commit murder or any other serious crime. Of course people are going to ask questions about that.

    Anyone who comes into this country seeking asylum or a better life and commits a serious crime should be thrown out of the country after their sentence. I don’t care if they are voluntarily repatriated or sent floating off in a boat, just get them out.

    Our own homegrown criminals, of which there are many were born here so we have no option but to deal with them here.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,486 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    That American cops get it wrong by inaction sometimes, and believe me the Uvalde cops have been well excoriated, doesn't mean that when a European cop gets it wrong by inaction they are any less wrong. (And the reverse is true, when a US cop gets it wrong absent any justification to shoot). Those facts are just as valid from my armchair even if I hadn't made real world shoot/no-shoot decisions (which I have).

    The error is (unlike Uvalde) understandable and forgivable. European police are not as often confronted with lethal threats. There is a culture which defaults against using lethal force and which seems to default against a knife justifying it. He shouldn't be charged, disciplined or any other such, but he is going to live with the knowledge that he could have prevented the death of his friend or colleague but didn't. I'll pretty much guarantee he's going to be second-guessing himself for many years.

    My point is that in the future this incident should be remembered here on Boards next time there is a Nchenko video or something similar from the US. Knife-wielding men at close range are highly dangerous in Europe and the US both and extremely careful consideration must be taken before criticizing someone who shoots such a person.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Well it’s good timing regarding the European elections at least.



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