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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread XII (The Byrne Supremacy)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    I haven't seen these reports. I think there certainly are strong elements of Farrell's attacking philosophy in how Ireland play… but what has Catt been doing if he's not the attack coach?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    It's been reported on a number of podcast

    I guess Catt is coaching the backs



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,177 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Have they ever played a full strength team in the URC this year? I think the next games will be pretty much full strength teams, miles stronger than anything we've seen so far.

    Wouldn't you watch the matches and try to enjoy yourself or is being miserable part of the craic? I really don't understand the negativity



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,470 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    i thought it was that farrell took over when it was clear catt was leaving, and then they hired in a new role of backs coach instead of attack coach.

    So Catt was the attack coach but going forward its farrell.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,478 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Agree with this. Nervous for the national team. Goodman for me, is a disappointment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,478 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I do watch the matches. I enjoy the victories.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Maybe, you could ask him. As I said it was widely reported that Farrell looks after the attack, as far as I remember Murray Kinsella and others have said the same

    Not sure how Goodman is disappointing?

    If you are comparing to Leinster playing after 7 years of Lancaster drilling the entire squad from top to bottom, then yes Im sure it might seem a bit of a disappointment

    In reality Goodman was away for the entire preseason, when he came back they had a few games and then the new head coach came in.

    When Nienaber came in then changed the entire way Leinster plays, including the attack, of course Goodman has never worked either with a SA coach either, according to ROG who worked with him, said he is excellent and he was fully expected to get part of the NZ coaching team so a big win for Ireland.

    I do find the negativity surrounding Leinster and their coaches as puzzling, but slagging off a guy who hasn't even started with Ireland is some reach but you managed to do it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,914 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Could you try be a bit more reasonable and realistic about the defeats though? Rather than rant about nonsense at least go into some detail with your criticisms as all too often you don't do that at all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    I’m more excited than ever about the URC knockouts. Would be an excellent achievement to win it with the potential route we have but I have no doubt that the team is capable of the challenge. I’m sure the players are excited to have another chance to win some silverware too.

    Don’t understand the pessimism around the team online. We have no right as armchair viewers to expect them to win every game and throw our toys out of the pram when they don’t win or they don’t win in the style we expect them to. They’ve put in a huge amount of work this year (eg our scrum went from being a weakness with Porter being pinged every 2nd scrum to dominating Toulouse in the final).

    I’m grateful for all they’ve given us this year. Hoping they can get what they deserve out of the season too. But this is sports and sometimes you need a bit of luck, something which we’ve lacked in the big moments over the last few years.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,177 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    OK. I'd see that as a childish way to follow sport.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,177 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Agree. Not to mention the fact that other teams can be class too, and deservedly win a close match.

    I'd expect them to fight like dogs for the URC. There's no rest for anyone for the next three weeks. I'd back leinster.

    I can't remember the last time they played pretty much the strongest 23 for 3 weeks in a row. Never happens in URC league games, and the champions cup teams only ever play 2 weeks in a row. This is a serious challenge and e weeks of top rugby ahead -if they make the final.



  • Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭johnh6767


    As any competitor in URC I would hate to be up against Leinster after losing a European Final, they got this ! DublinUSA let this be your marker , I hope I’m not being blindly over optimistic as I feel its realism , we will know soon



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,389 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Its tricky to travel to South Africa, play a knockout game at altitude in Pretoria and come straight back to Ireland to play a final the weekend afterwards.

    If all Leinsters games were in Europe, then they are massive favourites, but the trip to SA is a potential fly in the ointment



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,478 ✭✭✭Dubinusa




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,478 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    It's not nonsense. It's factual.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,478 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Childish? Thatsa reach . Look at the posts in each of the last 3 finals! Just because I don't sugarcoat my opinions, doesn't mean you're right. Of course, if you're all content losing finals and being bridesmaids....



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,136 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    I'm obviously coming at this more from an Irish supporter's perspective but there's a few points that do concern me.

    Not sure how Goodman is disappointing?

    If you are comparing to Leinster playing after 7 years of Lancaster drilling the entire squad from top to bottom, then yes Im sure it might seem a bit of a disappointment

    Which is essentially saying that things are not as good as they were under the previous coach. Is that not something to be disappointed about? Granted, Lancaster was a massive loss, and I think heaven and earth should be moved to get him back into the Irish system once his time is up in Paris.

    In reality Goodman was away for the entire preseason, when he came back they had a few games and then the new head coach came in.

    When Nienaber came in then changed the entire way Leinster plays, including the attack, of course Goodman has never worked either with a SA coach either, according to ROG who worked with him, said he is excellent and he was fully expected to get part of the NZ coaching team so a big win for Ireland.

    Nienabar said during the week that when he arrived in December he slotted into Leinster's existing weekly schedule and only took defensive sessions. He wasn't sure if that was a continuation of Lancaster's schedule, or if instead Cullen and Goodman had made adjustments. In either case, it seems as though the attack not Nienabar's concern, and no time was sacrificed from attacking sessions to accommodate his defensive reconfigurations.

    I do find the negativity surrounding Leinster and their coaches as puzzling, but slagging off a guy who hasn't even started with Ireland is some reach but you managed to do it.

    Setting aside whether calling a coach a disappointment is "slagging him off", I have a few Leinster-supporting friends echoing the sentiment that the attack has regressed in the past year. This may or may not be entirely down to Goodman and losing Sexton can't be overlooked. But Leinster are also double-digit points down on last year's URC tally - something the latter never contributed toward (at least on the pitch).

    Of course, a drop-kick strays a foot the other way and I'm sure the context of this conversation is very different. But I certainly wouldn't look at Leinster's attack in the last year and be overly excited about what Goodman will do for the senior side. Will be happily proven wrong/surprised.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Maybe we should compare to Lancaster in his first full season? Not the Lancaster at the end of 7 years?



  • Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭knockoutned


    delete



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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,177 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I think the rest of us can follow the season, experience the highs and the lows, and our toys remain inside the pram.

    Not understanding that disappointment is an inevitable part of following your team is what makes England football fans so charming.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,478 ✭✭✭Dubinusa




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,914 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    That's being incredibly Childish are you able to discuss things in any way close to rational?

    Every season camt and will never be able to have your team reach the top. Leinsters job is far harder than ever before as the competition is tougher than ever before.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,090 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Some positive noises about Prendergast staying at Leinster. Pete Wilkins was asked about it and now says it's unlikely to happen.

    Further down the article it says Ringrose met a specialist recently and has been given the all clear to return to full contact training.

    Post edited by Clegg on


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,968 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The best of news, if true. It would have been insane for Leinster to let him go without a fight.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,090 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Ringrose is officially available for selection. A very timely return given the big game coming up and hopefully we've a cup run coming together as well. Feels like we have a clean bill of health for the first time this season.



  • Registered Users Posts: 722 ✭✭✭durthacht


    Tommy O’Brien picked up a hamstring injury at the weekend and will enter a period of rehabilitation.

    Genuinely gutted for this guy as he has no luck. That's his season over and maybe a chunk of his summer holiday depending on the scale of the injury. I was amazed to read that he's 26 already as he has played so little over the years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,249 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Miserable news, he would be a great shout for a cap this summer if he was fit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,090 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    I actually missed the TOB injury update. Genuinely has no luck. If he could ever maintain an injury free run he'd be capped by now.

    But it feels like I've been saying the same thing for three years now.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,980 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    He's had 4 Heineken appearances, all off the bench, for a total of 46 minutes. But he's a great shout for the national team? I'd love to hear why he's a great shout ahead of any of the other wingers in contention who have more of a body of work behind them at a higher level…

    I'd agree with others, he's been desperately unlucky with injuries.



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