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The 2024 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,926 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    If the demand for tickets exceeds the capacity of a small ground, that is a bad outcome for fans. As I said in the thread before, Parnell Park was not a good spectator experience with a full house. And what small ground would Meath use instead of Navan?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I was thinking Mayo Vs Dublin could be Limerick if there was a worry about a big crowd but that probably isn't the case.



  • Registered Users Posts: 785 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I dont think it's always a bad outcome for demand to exceed tickets supply. A lot of sports operate on that basis. Its about how much the demand exceeds supply. Premier league games and AI finals for example are situations where not everyone who wants to go can go. But season ticket holders and most supporters with club memberships get to go. The couple of thousand who don't get to AI finals usually accept they won't be going and watch it on TV. Smaller grounds carefully selected to be slightly under capacity or even just at capacity can create the same effect.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,215 ✭✭✭overshoot


    edit-the post I was following no longer exists/this is a bit out of place now


    in fairness I can see the issue for managers trying to talk their players into it… Roscommon, Galway, mayo, will fancy their shot at Connacht, same for the Ulster counties, Meath… you’re going to train like a pro, sacrifice a lot of your personal life to get beaten out the door in Leinster, and then you’ll have to deal with all these other teams coming in buoyed having won a trophy so even less of a chance. Even Donegal for all the hype with McGuinness could have another couple of players as they don’t want to sacrifice so much, last year we were missing 4 from the panel who are back this year.

    Create a behemoth of course it’s demoralising to those around and has a compounding effect. You’re asking players to give up a lot of their life for zero reward

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,750 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Mod Note

    Just FYI, the Dublin Dominance Thread was closed because All discussions went around in the same circles, again and again. This lead to an increase in Reported Posts, Warnings and bans. As a result, no chat re funding etc re Dublin will be allowed in Any thread. Warnings and Bans have already been given out for bringing it into the Dublin GAA thread. No chat in any thread from now on please.

    We will open the Domimnace Thread again once Sam has been won, to see if it can be discussed without the Trolling etc. as it really created a lot of work for Mods and with all the games on the horizon, we could do without.

    It shouldn't really be that hard to not discuss a topic that has been done to death really.

    Any issues, PM only please.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Mayo dublin game won't sell out in Limerick.....or even Hyde Park,might just about sellout 18k capacity Tullamore which would make for a great occasion.

    Putting it in Cavan or Clones will not attract a crowd from Mayo.

    Times have changed for a lot of reasons.

    Hyde or Tullamore are served by rail services from both counties and make the most sense.

    Best sense option is not always the one GAA go with.....especially with regard to dublin.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,464 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Think the Hyde capacity is only like 18.5 K at present.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭HBC08


    That capacity as has been explained many times in threads here was before redevelopment.At that time a large section of the concrete benches were cordoned off for safety reasons.Hyde now has a capacity of 23k to 25k.



  • Registered Users Posts: 48,206 ✭✭✭✭km79


    there will be a great atmosphere in the Hyde. Will sell out quickly .

    Galway Armagh will surely be the same. A handy spin up the N17 for Avon’s crew . Hurling over for the year. They will outnumber Armagh 3 or 4 to 1 surely . It’s basically a home game for Galway ;)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    Pearse Stadium is a home venue for Mayo yet we outnumbered ye 2:1 for the Connacht final 😉



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  • Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭Compo82


    Armagh will have more support than Galway. Armagh travel in big numbers, Galway football fans aren't great for traveling. Usually only turn up for mayo games and maybe all Ireland semi finals / final.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    Was said last year too. Then both sets of supporters abandoned the final game and a paltry 6000 turned up to Carrick.



  • Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭Avon8


    Haha excellent

    The irony being ol' KM knows this better than anyone, having followed the path of greener pastures like thousands of Mayo men before him and sought longterm gainful employment in Galway. You'd think he'd be more grateful ;)



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭HBC08


    I guess we're so used to Mayo outnumbering Galway 3 or 4 to 1 than when the crowd is about 50/50 as it was at the Connacht final this is something to remark on.

    Imagine sh1ting on that ye managed to outnumber the opposition support.........when ye were playing at home!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭HBC08


    ….



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    How did I know you'd come in all guns blazing over a little dig.

    You're as much craic as a colonoscopy (pun intended)



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Rumours of change in Derry.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Just a little under 24k the capacity of Dr Hyde Park is now will it sell out for the Dublin v Mayo game?

    So far in that group

    Roscommon v Mayo - 8,597

    Mayo v Cavan - 9,197

    Dublin v Roscommon - 11,176

    Cavan v Dublin - 9,028

    First place straight into the Quarter final on the line in that match. I'm going to guess 18k to 20k to attend.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Most likely mayo out again the following week. Thankfully that's at home though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,183 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    The GAA are slow to change generally EXCEPT when it comes to situations of reduced revenue. Just run the league as the championship. All group games in provincial grounds in front of capacity grounds. Dublin can play their home games at croker if 50k+ is expected.

    People rabbit on about how great the hurling championship is, but that's because it's between 9 pretty evenly matched teams.

    The league as championship would do the same for football.

    The league is good because you don't have as many of the total mismatches you have in the provincial or group stages.

    There are good tight games between evenly matched teams.

    But those close games in the league mean nothing at the end of the day, because they are not the championship.

    We all know that the GAA, and the players want more games.

    Hurling worked with their restructuring because the round robin provincial championships added more games.

    If you were to use the current football league system as championship then you would not be adding more games.

    You could expand the league to home and away and then do your suggested system of top 4 quarter finals, bottom 4 playoffs etc

    That would also solve the problem of some teams having 3 home games and others having 4.

    From a purely financial point of view the law of diminishing returns might be on the horizon for the football championship and the GAA may decide that more games is not always better for revenue.

    That's before you even start talking about the lack of interest, the grumbling about the calendar etc etc



  • Registered Users Posts: 785 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Yes the success of the hurling championship is simply the best teams meeting each other in front of enthusiastic crowds. It's literally staring football in the face what needs to be done.

    With the league format it would mean 7 games + quarter final = 8 games minimum for the top 4 teams in Division 1. The bottom 4 Div 1 teams and top 4 in division 2 would have an extra play off game to make the quarters. So that seems very reasonable to me.

    For a top 4 divison 1 team to make the AI final it would be 7 games + quarter final + semi-final + final = 10 games which seems like a good number. That's 10 properly competitive marketable games spread out over the summer. Players, supporters, TV, GAA, sponsers - everyone's a winner.

    The elephant in the room is the provincials which clearly don't work anymore for at least half the provinces. I can't see any format working that includes them while the top teams are so far ahead of the weaker teams. They could be run off as a pre-championship warm up tournament instead of FBD/McKenna etc if needed but they shouldn't be connected to the championship proper anymore.



  • Registered Users Posts: 575 ✭✭✭The Moist Buddha




  • Registered Users Posts: 20,926 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    If you are going to kill that elephant, the obvious replacement is a home and away League. But like your proposal, that has zero chance of being accepted.



  • Registered Users Posts: 785 ✭✭✭Westernview


    You could have a home and away league yes but that depends on having enough room in the calendar. If they want to maintain the split season dates it may not be a runner. 14 Divsion games plus 3 more knockout games to win AI would be demanding in terms of the calendar.

    No killing the provincials probably wont be accepted in the near future but eventually I think it will have to go that way. Fans have already started voting with their feet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,926 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    There is no need for any further games after the League. Top of the League is the best team in the country.

    Anyway the current set up got 95% backing at Congress, and has only been going for a year and a bit. It is a nice parlour game dreaming up new formats, but they don't hold water in the real world.



  • Registered Users Posts: 785 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I don't agree that the top team should win the AI on a league basis and I don't think many would entertain that idea. You have no AI final then unless the top 2 teams happen to meet in the final game and there are less than 2 points between them to create a final game scenario.

    It isn't parlour games having a discussion about the future of the championship. The 95% congress support won't count for much and will soon switch to an alternative if attendances continue as they are. If you don't want to be involved in the discussion and want things to stay as they are that's fine but it doesn't stop the discussion for others.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,926 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    People have been using the attendances as an argument to ditch this format. Far too soon. I would wait until the end of the season, and see how aggregrate attendances compare to other years. But the pandemic has put a bit of a spanner in the works for that in recent years. Complaints about low attendance at particular matches is nothing new.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 785 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I predict changes for next season. It may be just reducing groups from 4 to 3 teams but that would be an improvement straight away. The Connacht GAA CEO has already suggested that so even at administration level the discussion has started.

    The leinster championship is dead and isn't coming back and covid isn't a major factor at this stage. The fact that a lot of league games in March are attracting bigger games than the championship is a sign that something is badly wrong.



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