Deposit return scheme (recycling)

I don't think it would be a good idea to have checkout operators emptying or fettling RVMs.

You could be going into a store and see them pulling dirty bins around the yard. Then when you finish shopping they'd be checking you out handling your groceries. Not a good look.

There is no contradiction in saying most of them.

By saying most I was allowing for local or owner operated shops. These tend to have a less structured approach to staffing. For instance you could have the owner's kids helping out after school.

As for managers and supervisors I left them out because I thought the discussion was about floor/storeroom staff who would actually be working on the RVMs.

The post I was replying to said these workers would have to do extra work for no extra money. My point is that they are just being diverted to a different task within their contracted hours.

On reflection managers and supervisors have problems too so thanks for pointing that out.

These issues are not really within the remit of Re-turn and more likely to be addressed locally

I'm not making a stand on a hill or otherwise, just discussing DRS.

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I used one at a self service till today in Supervalu. (Edited - it was a credit card only one)

Seamless process start to finish.

Always worked for me at Lidl self service

And for today's experience. Stockpiled my cans as the Overlords at ReTurn advised not to return during the bank holiday weekend, Approx 40 odd cans, six in and machine shuts down and msg appears contact a staff member. It did print my receipt in all fairness. Take trolley with near 30+ cans and crutch to try and find a staff member. Finally do, they are clueless, let me get the manager. A conservative 5 minute wait, then arrives. Apologizes profusely, but the staff on duty trained in the operation and troubleshooting is on his lunch and will not be available for 30 minutes at least!

It was only installed last week, maybe software needs to be updated on it or something.

This will be a huge success, its been bench marked against decades old successful models across europe. Sure there's been a full public consultation and everything. I mean dont blame us, whoever knew people ordered shopping online, or had disabilities. Or no car. Not out fault at all at all.

And you know, teething problems, bound to happen. We have your money.

And severe price rises, but sure thats the publics problem.

Report the full numbers? Oh seasonality and true reflections and stuff, give us a year at least. Thatll be over quarter of a billion taken from the public pocket but we'll definitely have a grasp of this decades old copied system by then.

They've been (badly) attempting to feed the public a trough of sh*te since this started and failing miserably.

Remember the school children, who im guessing are from the 1950s, that would end the litter problem by scavenging in the bushes for dirty cans?

I know some have mentioned the positive of people in dire need searching bins for deposit containers, but if thats the only plus from this whole farce, that makes me sad.

And i dont see any other plus points at the moment.

The details aren't in any one place from what I can see.

There's a piece in here: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/deposit-return-scheme-do-bottles-and-cans-have-to-have-the-re-turn-logo-do-i-have-to-bring-them-back-to-the-same-shop-all-your-questions-answered/a330031332.html

Q. Is the taxpayer funding it?

No, it is intended to be self-funding. The producers will pay a fee to Re-turn for each container placed on the wholesale market.

They will also charge the deposit fee to the retailers who buy their products and pass that on to Re-turn.

Re-turn will collect the returned bottles and cans and sell them to industry so it will also have revenue from that source.

Retailers, who have already paid the deposit fee to the producers, will charge it to shoppers, pay it back for returns and get reimbursed by Re-turn for every deposit reclaimed.

They also get a handling fee of 2.2c for each container returned by reverse vending machine and 2.6c for each taken back over the counter.

That should make it cost-neutral to shops, although there will be an outlay if they buy a reverse vending machine because they cost from €12,000.

This isn't really going into detail on how it is funded.

Theres a quote:

“Unredeemed deposits will be reinvested into the scheme and used to fund recycling initiatives to help Ireland achieve future recycling targets,” he said.

from here:

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/re-turn-refuses-reveal-salaries-32910145

(Another worrying article about lack of transparancy in general)

The details in the public domain are low on "detail" and based on the lack of transparacny in whatever detail is there, fluffy waffle and makeup of the board , I would be concerned that the unreturned deposits will assist the "Producers" in reducing the fees they will pay to Re-turn to put items on the wholesale market.

There's literally no oversight here to see that this doesn't happen or that "Unredeemed deposits will be reinvested into the scheme and used to fund recycling initiatives to help Ireland achieve future recycling targets".

If you are happy enough to believe what you read - great - can you let me know where you are seeing how this scheme is being funded?

You said that a few months ago.

There's further reading in the OJ (Official Journal) references given at the end of the SI. This is one of them.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv%3AOJ.L_.2019.155.01.0001.01.ENG&toc=OJ%3AL%3A2019%3A155%3ATOC

Thanks for your reply.

For obvious reasons I won't comment on the conclusions in the first part of your post.

Concerning the S I, I suggest that anyone interested in DRS read it for themselves.

For ease I repeat the link here.

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2024/si/33/made/en/print