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French Open 2024

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,126 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    He's not losing sets because he's feigning injury, you've got that the wrong way round.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,410 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Zverev and Medvedev both brutal, and telling of the state of the game that Medvedev is a grand slam winner. Djokovic is past it.

    Alcaraz and Sinner the only two decent players in it, the rest of the field absolutely brutal. And Alcaraz and Sinner are no world beaters themselves. A young Lleyton Hewitt would of destroyed them at their age for example. Tennis in a very bad state



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,410 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Imagine Andy Murray coming along now. Unfortunate with the generation he ended up in. Alcaraz will probably won more grand slams simply because the era is so weak.

    But if Murray was arriving now, would be winning the 4 slams in one year



  • Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭Lip Out


    Novak withdraws because of knee injury. So much for folks on here thinking he was faking an injury. 🤦



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,658 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Torn meniscus. He won't be playing Wimbledon either.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,962 ✭✭✭✭gmisk




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,983 ✭✭✭Augme


    The beginning of the end for Novak.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,658 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Can't see him playing Wimbledon. If it is a torn miniscus then he will need keyhole to fix it and then you are loking at 6 to 8 weeks recovery.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,962 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Time obviously not on his side, I suppose lets see how serious the injury is.

    Pretty amazing that he can still get through against a decent player like Cerundolo with that injury.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Meniscus tear surely means he's out for the rest of the grand slam season and Olympics.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 56,119 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Serious enough injury. Was it done in an instant, or is it a lingering issue/injury?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,546 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Lleyton Hewitt. A man who never made it past qf at France and made 3 other grand slam finals (winning 2 in fairness) .

    You could say the same about his titles. State of the game when he won them. In between the Sampras dominance and fed era. He beat an aging Sampras and a nalbandian and lost to safin.

    He had a stellar 2 year run but that's really it and was never threatening to win much after 2002

    Christ. Is there any sport you don't have some barmy take on?



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,962 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Alcaraz up an early break!



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,983 ✭✭✭Augme


    Once you get mid 30s and pick up injuries it's very difficult to stay health consistently.

    Given he could play on it woukd suggest a fairly minor tear.

    Aa above, if its a minor tear he should be back in time for the US Open. Potentially the Oylmpics but even if he was fit for that he'd be better off skipping it given it will be clay again.

    Post edited by Augme on


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,962 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Alcaraz now two sets up after tight second set.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,410 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    The point was more, how at a young age, he came in and stood up to the established players, and basically cleared them out. This new generation, has continually collapsed under pressure, when they had the big 3 on the ropes. They've basically had to wait for them to retire. So there is a huge contrast to the way Hewitt broke through and took the game to the top players, in the way this useless lot haven't.

    What happened in the rest of Hewitt's career is moot really, in terms of the context of my point. But when he started getting niggling injuries at the end of 2003 and started to lose his pace, you could see a drop off in his standard. By 05/06 and the injuries got more serious, he simply wasn't the player he once was. Still stayed ranked in the top 3 for a long time, which shows his talent. His technical game and shot placement is arguably the best I've ever seen. To lose his pace, and have no weapons and power, just shows how incredible his shot placement was to stay at the top so long.

    The big 3 have their fanboys and will hear no wrong. But it's a myth Hewitt dominated a transitional era. He cleared the previous generation out. After Federer won his first Wimbledon, Hewitt beat him in the Davis cup. Then the niggling injuries started. People forget just how incredibly good a fully fit Hewitt was. He'd put it right up to any of the big 3, gave Nadal his hardest game in France in 09 I think, crippled with injuries. He was right up there with Federer until his pace slowly deteriorated, that's how good he was. But the fanboys will try and explain away the routine beatings he used to give Federer.

    Only for injuries, a prime Hewitt is as good a player you'll ever see. Infact he never even got to his prime tbh



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,546 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    But he didn't clear them out. He beat Sampras once, nalbandian once and lost to safin. Sampras and agassi each won a major more recently than hewitt. Hardly them being cleared out. Then look at some of the other major winners post his womdbledon 2002 win and Federer's first. It's a mish mash of pretty good players but none that are considered to be era defining or anything.

    Yes he has loads of titles, a no.1 ranking. He was a great player, but he was a level belowbthe "big 3"

    He played Federer 27 times and lost 18 of those. He was just not as good as him.

    Its absolutely mental to suggest otherwise



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,410 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    In finals? He beat Sampras 4 games on the trot, and demolished him in the US Open one year. Sampras feared him, and retired to save his legacy, as he knew what was coming.

    I never said Hewitt was as good as Federer. His career was far too short, and mostly hampered by injuries. But for the period he was fully fit, was every bit as good. His last great performance was at the end of 2003 against Federer, that was the last time we saw a fully fit Hewitt at the top of his game. Thereafter, with the injuries starting, a noticable drop in his pace and ability to get to certain shots.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,546 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Sampras won the US open more recently than hewitt won a major. You're just kidding yourself

    His career was 20 years long..hardly too short.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,410 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Sampras was still a top player, how does him still winning a major disprove my point? But his majors were drying up, and he wanted to get out on top. Hewitt was routinely beating him by that stage, that's just a fact many people don't want to accept. He was routinely beating Federer too. He broke through as one of the youngest world numbers 1's and grand slam winners. You can't do that without being phenomenally talented. It's unheard off. It's freakish talent

    Ye his career was still 20 years, showing just what an amazing talent he was. He had no weapons, and when his pace left him, his technical game and shot placement was so brilliant, he could still be competitive. But he simply wasn't the player he could of been after getting his first injuries at the end of 03.

    Are you tring to suggest Hewitt was in his prime after this or was the same player? Because we all know injuries hampered his game, when would you suggest they started to effect his game?

    Do you reckon when Federer was regularly bageling him, he was at his peak? Or Federer all of a sudden became so much better? Like not just a little better, but way way way better? Overnight?



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,474 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Wow, strong possibility we'll get all four top seeds in the women's semi finals. Must be quite a while since that's happened. Hoping Gauff can avoid a drubbing from Swiatek, but the signs aren't looking great. Would actually prefer either one of Sabalenka or Rybakina to win it at this stage.

    You'd think the Alcaraz-Sinner match is the de facto final, but I do have that match between Alcaraz and Zverev from Melbourne at the back of my head too. Either way I hope the winner of this semi final wins the tournament, both would be great champions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,658 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Surprised to see Rybakina beaten by Paolini. I hope Andreeva beats Sabalenka, I just can't warm to Sabalenka and the screaming.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,474 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Pretty random semi final, but hoping Andreeva makes it through to have a crack at Swiatek or Gauff



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,371 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Did Andreeva win?? I'm just watching the first set now, was assuming that Sabalenka would get her act together eventually and wipe the court with her!

    Delighted to see Paolini get through, she'd light up the room, I love watching her play. The contrast in players and styles between her and Rybakina could not have been bigger, it was funny watching them on the same court!



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,371 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Zverev would drive you mad with his 15 bounces for every serve. Hopefully he falls foul of the shot clock before long.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,928 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    Iga must be wondering if she'll get her nails done before or during the final……



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,474 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Disappointing women's final, hoping Swiatek wins easily. Would've been cool for Andreeva to make it, but she's got plenty of time yet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Coco's forehand was horrifically bad today, all Iga had to do was play the ball to that Coco's forehand and Coco's would just beat herself.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,474 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    No comments on the women's final? 😅 Didn't get to watch but about as competitive as expected.

    Swiatek now up to five grand slams at the age of 23, you'd wonder just how many more will she win. She's certainly in with a shout of beating Chris Evert's record at RG anyway.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    You'd have to think Swiatek will at least get into double digit major wins and probably beat Chris Everts Roland Garros record.

    I think the thing with Iga that'll keep her at the top is she doesn't beat herself ever and is so mentally strong that she'll win bucket loads of matches other even other top class players would have found a way to lose.If she improves her serve she's going to be even harder to beat going forward.Also she appears very level headed and there is no bullshit or drama with her and you feel like she's really 100% focussed on tennis whereas the likes of Osaka, Barty and Muguruza seemed to not really be pushed about tennis whereas she seems to love it and want to be the very best.



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