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Floods in Europe

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Agree theres been some amount of contradictory shite from green movments over the years and the solution seems to be tax them. 🙄



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,199 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    maybe your brain can't deal with stuff that takes place over a long period of time, but scientists do it all the time. They study cosmology, geology, paleontology, evolution, archaeology and fecking history. They can study data. They can analyse it and formulate it so it can show whats happening over longer periods of time. That's the essence of a huge amount of scientific fields.

    There are tens of thousands of scientists who work in climate change. They have spent decades each studying it, which amounts to hundreds of thousands of work years gathering and analyzing data and reviewing each others work. And the vast majority of them all agree,

    Climate change is real.

    It's man made.

    It's getting worse

    But feel free to be the guy who's certain that he knows more. Join the ranks of flat earthers, and claim that reality isn't real.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,978 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    .. And worse might mean more frequent not a overly simplistic metric like higher. Especially considering somewhere with historically frequent floods will have put in flood defences and changed over time. So if the floods are now defeating previously good defences it's likely escalating.

    That's a totally different thing to Ireland building in flood zones due to poor regulation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    I'm blaming them for not providing realistic solutions and trying to get people onside and act in a more environmentally friendly way.That is their entire reason for existing as political entities.The reason they don't ever get enough votes to implement any policies and have a real impact is because generally they are extremely poor politicians and really have no interest in helping run a country they just want to shout from the sidelines.

    We can't fix what is happening in Germany but we can help what is happening in Ireland maybe if every country worked to improve their own country it would help the overall situation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,978 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,978 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Tbh you have people on this thread and others arguing hard against any form of change. I think that's a difficult challenge for any party.

    I can only agree that the politicians seem poor. But on the flip side we've seen improvements in public transport, cycling, charging infrastructure. Perhaps at glacial pace, and perhaps not optimal. But improvements nonetheless.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭rogber


    Human made climate change is real but most of us still just choose to stick our head in the sand and ignore it and the usual idiots like Trump and Jordan Peterson and other right wing morons will continue to claim it's a hoax.

    May their children and grandchildren suffer the consequences! No pity if they do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Its 80 years since D-Day.

    Happy D-Day Everyone.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,732 ✭✭✭donaghs


    Not really, the airborne went in around midnight 6th June, and the beach landings began about 7am, 6th June

    "Change" is good? Change can be anything. If you drill down into what people want, its never black and white. More electric car charging, but less new "green" taxes. I theory both would be on opposite side of the "green agenda".



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,304 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    How many poster in this thread are going to make a real change in their own lives? One of the best things you can do is never travel by plane. People will call others deniers and ignorant to science and then still plan their own foreign holiday abroad.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,978 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    That article obviously hit a nerve.

    I've changed to green tea....



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Not really, the airborne went in around midnight 6th June, and the beach landings began about 7am, 6th June

    Well they are celebrating it today.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,978 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    There were also sappers clearing the beaches before the main force.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,803 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    How the feck did a discussion about excessive rainfall in Germany in the Weather forum morph into chatter about an ancient war offensive in France in the (supposedly) Current Affairs forum?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,978 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The Germans started it....



  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭Pman


    No more than building on a flood plain is going to leave your house at risk, building large infrastructure is the countryside is going to affect hydrology despite the millions that might be spent on Natura reports , EIS , engineering reports etc. I find it interesting the blame for the Funshinagh flooding crisis is being laid at the door of climate change.

    But does it not raise questions if the beginning of the continuous Funshinagh level rise coincided with the constrcution & tarring of the M17 56KM TUAM to Athenry motorway in 2015. Although its 50KM from Funshinagh here are some facts

    • The M17 road surface water runoff does not drain to surface rivers . It goes to attenuation ponds meaning it actually goes into the limestone karst aquifers which are linked to turloughs. The M17 is highly unusual in that it does not drain its water to a surface water rivercourse.
    • The M17 collects 1.2 million m3 of water every year and this has been going into the aquifers over 8 years . So 9.6 million m3 of water has gone into to aquifers since 2016.

    So it appears that the flooding in Lough Funshinagh is a man made infrastruture problem rather than a man made climate change problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭Pman


    There have been too many impermeable surfaces ( roads built ) across Europe. Flooding has been getting worse because of more impermeable surface being built on the surface of the earth. Climate change is as much to do with is reckless building of infrastructure as it is about CO2 making clouds (????). Unless we start digging up tar and concrete and returning it to slow infiltration , soakage and drainage patterns, more and more people will be flooded out if it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭Pman


    Spot on Gossa,

    No more than building on a flood plain is going to leave your house at risk, building large infrastructure is the countryside is going to affect hydrology despite the millions that might be spent on Natura reports , EIS , engineering reports etc.

    I find it unsderstandable ( given feverish climate doomsayers atmosphere ) that the blame for the Funshinagh flooding crisis here in Roscommon is being laid at the door of climatechange. And woe betide anyone who says otherwise.

    However , normal people should be questioning this narrative if they see that the beginning of the continuous Funshinagh level rise (2016) coincided with the construcution & tarring of the M17 56KM TUAM to Athenry motorway in 2015. Although its 50KM from Funshinagh here are some facts

    • The M17 road surface water runoff does not drain to surface rivers . It goes to attenuation ponds meaning it actually goes into the limestone karst aquifers which are linked to turloughs. The M17 is highly unusual as a motorway in Ireland in that it does not drain its water to a surface water rivercourse. It quickly surcharges collected rainwater into the unknown depths of crevases in the underground aquifer complex.
    • The M17 collects 1.2 million m3 of water every year and this has been goinginto the aquifers over 8 years . So 9.6 million m3 of water has gone into to aquifers since 2016. ( 1m of water falls on this region per year and ive multiplied it by the area of new tar and concrete.

    So it appears to me at least that the flooding in Lough Funshinagh turlough is a man made infrastruture problem rather than a man made climate change problem. The lake used to disappear every year before the motorway was built.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,978 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    According to those reports one of the reasons for flooding in the Germany/Rhine is unseasonally heavy rainfall that happens with unseasonally greater frequency so ground gets overloaded and the water runs off. This is often due to unseasonally hotter or colder periods that mean melting snow and ice happens later or early increasing the normal volume of water in the system for that time of year.

    Those that compile these vast studies that use data going back hundreds if not thousand of years seem to think climate is a factor in that. But they don't ignore human impact on it either, since they go on about that at length also..



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    the recent torrential flood affecting Mallorca airport provided water deep enough to swim in out on the apron.



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