Have you been able to board a flight to Dublin without ID?

Fine the airlines and the pilots, like they do the hauliers, and the practice would soon die out.

could they have hand held passport scanners at the door of the plane on boarding and then the data is forwarded to a representative in advance of arrival who scans you off the plane as you deplane

No docs on getting off the plane then you get held/returned

no “normal” passenger loses their docs while on board the aircraft

or something like that 🤷🏼‍♂️

How could the pilot possibly stop it happening?

Should the cabin crew be fined as well?

its this

the issue that people are boarding flights with ID, destroying their ID before landing and then presenting themselves at passport control with no ID or documentation.

Ryanair had 40 on recent flight from Italy

So could airlines be asked to take ID on boarding and hand them back during disembarkation? Would that make any sort of difference to the problem?

Surely in this day and age the airlines could provide electronic copies of the passports they scan while boarding to emigration at the other end. If somebody arrives without documentation emigration could review the electronic copies of the passports and put the person back on a plane if they arrived from another European country or send them back to the country of origin if they have been found to be traveling on false documents.

I am guessing that many people probably travel on fake passports or someone else's passport. You might have a group of 5 or 6 and a handler who simply collects up the passports they used and exits the airport first with them all in their pocket before the individuals present themselves. The system proposed above will do nothing to prevent that.

Could you imagine the chaos of that? Every passenger from every flight having to retrieve their ID at Passport control. No doubt it would solve the problem, but aside from teh inconvenience it may be something that would be difficult to - legally - implement, what with passports being the property of governments, etc.

Is there no way for immigration to request the digital file for a person who has 'mislaid' their ID from the departing airport - e.g. retrieve the persons photo and the scan of their passport taken at entry to the the departing airport. Am sure there is some GDPR type obstacle to overcome but it would at least establish the identity and documentation at the time of the passengers departure even if said documentation is not present on arrival.

Can you provide a link about this flight of 40 with no id? Can't find anything online anywhere. Really doubt these stories.

pilot could use his intercom to advise All passengers 30 minuted before landing that Cabin crew will be walking down the isle and visually check that all passengers have a passport in their hands

too late- I threw it down the toilet towards the start of the flight - probably need to introduce a photo system when boarding with the resultant photos sent to the receiving country - but such a process won’t be introduced over night - but if airlines can in the meantime prove they had sight of the passport on boarding then they should avoid the fine - but really we’re here because of the mess the government has made of housing in this country after years of neglect - it’s not the airlines fault - the government are just trying to outsource the problem and responsibility

Then passenger does not get off the plane or held in custody and returned to original airport. Could be worth while getting Bruce to check every passengers luggage etc. to try and locate the missing passport

I guess in the long term with the new EU travel authorisation happening soon airlines would be able to scan IDs at boarding, those with non-EU passports would have to have their pre clearance so at least the pressure would be off the airlines and back on the member states to make pan bloc ID checks easy.

you can get iris recognition scanners now that are handheld. Only slightly bigger then a mobile phone.

An iris is like a fingerprint, no two in the world are identical.

Unlike a fingerprint you can’t manipulate or change your iris. By burning or scraping… well you can but you’ll blind yourself…

Link passports to iris scan, anything doesn’t match up, turn them around and bye bye. 👋👉🏻

Always have had relevant docs myself so never an issue.