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The accelerating fall in Sinn Féin support

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,239 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Can't thank twice so repost,, nail on the head Kermit,, vote no.1 the frog



  • Registered Users Posts: 45,476 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    Mary Lou is a spoofer. Been saying it for years. She needs to go.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    It is interesting to see Sinn Fein getting Pat Cullen to stand for them in Fermanagh-South Tyrone. She is an ex nurse and a.f.a.i.k. to date has refused to condemn the murder of innocents.

    If she wins in Fermanagh and South Tyrone, she will – as is the policy for S.F. – not take her seat in Westminster. Nor will it bring change: SF has held that seat by the slimmest of margins ( 57 votes or something) for most of the past few decades. And see how health care in N.I. has slipped in the past few decades, nearly as bad as here now. Although many thousands of people from as far away as Cork / Kerry have gone north for medical treatment, unable to get it in this state.

    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-41086942.html

    The former Royal College of Nursing chief, Pat Cullen, coming out as a Republican and now suddenly standing as a SF candidate in Westminster elections will further erode public trust in supposedly non-political bodies.

    Especially as the main town in Co. Fermanagh is Enniskillen, which became famous ( infamous?) worldwide due to the bombing by SF/IRA. Condemned by everyone worldwide at the time from the President of USA to President of Russia. Cullen was a nurse in the eighties:does she believe there were "any alternative" to murder of a student nurse by the armed wing of the political party she now represents?

    Will be interesting to see how or if it affects S.F. support or not, especially in the Westminster elections.

    Post edited by Francis McM on


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,555 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Its like McDonald and Doherty are competing to see who can shout louder at Harris in the Dail while at the same time saying nothing of value.

    2 years ago they would have nearly had an overall majority if there had been an election.

    They are a party in disarray these days.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 486 ✭✭Ozvaldo


    The vote yes for on the referendums has finished them off-no longer a relevant option imo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Sounds like the plan is to import half of Gaza here out of solidarity with peoples front of Judea and then have “demographics take care of it”



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    I remember something like this happened in a couple UK Vote a few years back.
    There was weeks and weeks of media polls saying that Britain looks set to remain in the EU (I think it was like 150 polls done and only 55 wanted to leave)

    And then in the 2015 there was set to be a hung parliament based on the election polls, But the conservatives got nearly 40% of the vote.

    Polls can be wrong, especially when the result of the election can mean a huge change to the status quo (which is what a Sinn Fein led government could mean - I get this is a local election, but it's an indicator). And there are many rich and powerful people out there that might not want that.

    we'll know next week for sure



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The things you mention all fell within in the margin of error.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill




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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,435 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Margin of error depends on sample used, but 3% plus or minus would be fairly normal. Trend over a number of polls by the same co are good indicators of direction. Saying SF is up or down 1% means little or nothing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭Rosahane


    About 18 years or so ago the Mrs and daughter were invited to a James Connolly memorial event, can't remember what it was but was in Moore St and invitational Connolly family or something. Daughter was scheduled to sing the "Daughter of Connolly" song so they were at the front of the audience.

    MLD barged through to the front row between them - no invitation or connection but just wanted to be noticed.

    Says it all really!



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,523 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Mary Lou just rowed back on another SF housing viewpoint. A couple of weeks ago she wanted average house prices in Dublin to fall to €300k, when it was explained what the prevailing economic conditions would be necessary for such a drop, and the number of people who would be plunged into negative equity, she was ridiculed. Now she says she meant the average price of affordable housing, six months later.

    They really are utterly incompetent, housing should be the easiest way of attacking the government, but SF suck at it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,383 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    in 2011 there were 230000 homes in negative equity, the last of those were expected to be clear in 2020.

    that's what reducing the house price looks like.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,396 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    The 300k refers to the selling price of the 4,000 affordable houses that SF plan to build in Dublin.

    It does not refer to general house prices.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,523 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Perhaps if you read the original Times article, you would see that she clearly stated average house prices in Dublin, not affordable housing.

    For some reason the link function has stopped working, the interview was published in the Times on December 20th.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,716 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I think the milk is well and truly spilt on that one. They told every single homeowner in Dublin they were going to basically half the value of their main asset and the inheritance they'd leave to their children as a result.

    They not only made themselves unelectable for home owners but whole families.

    Incompetent beyond belief and now you're saying "they meant to say something else" which makes them look even more incompetent!

    Let's be real, there has always been a nagging concern in the back of people's minds as to the standard of some SF reps and it's not policy related, more ability at a more basic level. Once you get past the top 2 or 3 TDs (and that's being generous) you're in pretty sparse territory regarding people you'd be putting much faith in to actually be able to just do certain roles.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,396 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Surely we all want lower house prices?

    We are all agreed that house prices are too high, aren't we?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,523 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    The more important questions you should be asking yourself is, what would have to happen in our economy for that type of catastrophic collapse in house prices, and what makes you think that if such a collapse occurred, that the less well paid/unemployed would firstly hold on to their jobs, would banks lend for houses dramatically falling in value/would people be able to afford a 300k home?.

    That is why she was ridiculed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,430 ✭✭✭run_Forrest_run


    not if:

    • you own your own house outright
    • you are a landlord
    • you are part of the Government receiving revenue from property tax and stamp duty



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,523 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    I would add to that, any young person who has bought a home in the last few years and fears being pushed into negative equity, anyone considering trading up/down and thinks the value of their home may fall more than the value of the home they are buying, anyone who understands that if house values fall, developers will stop building and lenders will stop financing, anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of economics/lived through the last recession when property prices crashed and unemployment/emigration spiked etc,etc



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,383 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    that really depends on what you paid.

    are the banks going to reduce your mortgage to match ? Will they let you move house with negative equity (they didn't before)



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,699 ✭✭✭standardg60


    House prices are decided by how much people are buying them for, if they're buying them, how are they 'too High'?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,437 ✭✭✭boardise


    If a poll reports a margin of error of 3 % -does this mean that a party with 26% could be on 23, 26 or 29% while a Party with 23% could be on 20,23 or 26%. The parties could be level or either could be 3% ahead. This would mean that the poll is effectively useless.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,990 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    No. Simply, NO. Any party who takes any measure to reduce the value artificially of my house has lost my vote for life.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,990 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    That's 3 percentage points. I would have assumed the margin of error was percentage based, not percentage points. So 26% +/-3% would be between (26*0.97)% and (26*1.03)%



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,386 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Polls are always effectively useless

    You would have to question who they poll in the first place, to me if would suggets they have a list of people and keep on bashing that same list, with the number of polls coming out over the last few years and if it was total random at this stage the majority of population would have been hit, but I have never found a single person who has been hit



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,798 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    It means 23-29. Polling is not that exact a science.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,798 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I have been both RedC and the now defunct/merged IPSOS political polled over the last two decades.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,990 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Oh… Well that's kind of.. meh then. Essentially, other than trending, it's meaningless with a 3 percentage point margin of error.



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