Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

Follow Venezuela. The Sinn Fein plan to control immigration.

Ooooooh I see what you done there 😂

So I didn't and never said it. Thank you.

No they jump the border into Colombia. Then they ring Catriona Ruane and she will sort it.

You think you have problems now, wait until Pearse is calling Maduro for advice on government economic policy.

Exit stage far left

Again you miss the point. Immigration is a huge issue for every EU country, not just Ireland. The bloc is creaking under an unprecedented pressure and voting intentions across the EU will reflect this across the board. The Irish govt has done a relatively good enough job in the circumstances to house 100k plus people at short notice, which is entirely divorced from the issue of homelessness as anyone with understanding of the 2 issues will attest to. Plenty of mistakes made no doubt, but show me a govt or system that has done very much better.

You try to paint this as FF or FG fault which is, as usual, evidence of either myopic naivety or deeply cynical opportunism. At any point can you acknowledge that a broader context is at play on these issues?

https://www.euronews.com/2023/12/29/the-simmering-migrant-crisis-at-the-french-italian-border

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/irregular-migrant-arrivals-almost-doubled-spain-2023-2024-01-03/

https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/sweden-immigrants-crisis/

https://www.politico.eu/article/germanys-never-ending-migration-crisis/#:~:text=The%20recent%20surge%20has%20pushed,country%20so%20far%20this%20year.&text=The%20German%20public%20has%20also%20grown%20increasingly%20uneasy.

So, instead of looking for excuses for a moment and broader contexts let's just keep with here for a moment.

You don't think it is FF and FG and the Greens fault that we have huge specific issues with immigration and the housing ofthose immigrants but you think that 'Plenty of mistakes made no doubt'?

Have I that correct?

But thats just it, you simply cannot look at the situation without the broader context. To ignore it is simply illogical, if not wilfully ignorant. How can one assess the response in a vaccuum?

All countries have huge specific issues with immigration. The challenge in itself is not of the governments making, and will be there irrespective of the makeup of government.

Mistakes around communication were made by the current lot in not controlling better the narrative, but again to think that a 'better communication plan' was going to sate the more hardline anti-immigrant groups is just folly. Ireland has helped over 100,000 Ukrainian people since the outbreak of war, and in such an emergency any and all places of refuge were always going to be needed. The illegal/undocumented migration issue is a global one, and you would have to be pretty thick not to realise it. The irony in all this of course is that while SF cry 'hard right' as the reasons for their declining support, they are only kicking themselves that they didn't shift to the right in time to capitalize on that populist trend.

The hijab was a fatal error.

Again with ignoring of the importance of context. It's not an excuse, it's context. There is a difference. Also, dictatorships do not generally concede errors or scope for improvement, so the notion that anyone here or in govt is thinking like that is outside the line. There have been no concrete alternative suggestions on immigration from opposition, just vague, faux soundings about consulting the people on the one hand, while dog whistling to more extreme elements with criticism of policing responses etc.

A thought experiment on the importance of context: when SF win the next Dail election and are in power North and South, will they dismantle the NI state, close Stormont and move all instruments of government into a new Dail? If they have the mandate North and South, then they should get on with it, no?. Or perhaps there would be a wider context to consider?

All valid criticisms welcome, it's a democracy after all. Admission that some issues could have been better dealt with is a positive in my view, a sign of maturity. Failing to accept that is immature by contrast.

Its a strange line to take that opposition in this country is being silenced somehow by the authorities or dictatorship wannabes. A Freuedian undercurrent on your part perhaps?

Ireland consistently sits at the top of international freedom index, brought to you by a century of FF and FG in government. Be proud.

Nobody said anything about the opposition being silenced, so you can stop that line of posting and deflection. .

Admission that some issues could have been better dealt with is a positive in my view, a sign of maturity. Failing to accept that is immature by contrast.

I accept 'many mistakes' were made Finty.
The community I live in was recently in the news.. More than 30% of the population (now closer to half) is non native. There are little to no issues with this though, no protests, no buildings burned etc.
Why? Because of how they were integrated and how people were kept informed. Local political reps (from most of our political parties) made it their business to take part in this process.

So I think the communication issue was huge in creating specific problems here. It was not done the same way elsewhere, many mistakes were demonstratively made and FF FG and Greens cannot run and hide, they were told again and again that it was a mistake. Just one of several.

So what do you think the solution/way forward should be?

Throw our hands up in the air and say, well sure Germany and France and Sweden etc are in the same boat, what can we do?

You are the one who is after saying you have "little to no issues with this (mass immigration) though", so presumably you think no solution is necessary. Most of your fellow SF voters disagree on immigration it seems.

I didn't say anything about or use the term 'mass immigration'.

Why fabricate comments for people, what is your agenda here?

Where woukd they hide her.......o sorry they could dissappear her tge Belfast boys were great at hiding people in bogs