Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

I suppose the only reason I find it annoying that you call my view odd there is because the way you have described it is not at all what I said and I'm not sure why you've taken it that way.

I merely said Denmark has had a different historical experience which has framed their approach, and our historical experience has been different which has framed our approach (ie, basically no major experience so no consequent sense of urgency to enhance the policy). I said nothing about whether we should wait or not. Denmark has been further down the road on the asylum conversation than we ever had cause to be, and quite frankly the years preceding 2022 presented other priorities. I'm not sure how you've taken this as me saying that we cannot or should not assess what other countries do and plan ahead.

And yes, maybe if everyone adopts Denmark's policies you might see an overall reduction — but I'm not so sure. Somehow making a place like Western Europe a less attractive prospect than living in abject poverty or the fear of war / violence is a pretty tall order and people will still want to come. What that means is that Southern / Eastern Europe will bear the brunt of it and we will somehow have to find a way to make the likes of Italy and Greece happily go along with that.

It all brings me back to my overall belief that internal domestic policies can only go so far — and the better solutions lie in a pan-European effort to secure the external borders and equitably share the burdens that can't indefinitely be avoided.

https://x.com/RadioGenoa/status/1798077105407918231

The west is getting royally screwed over

From Euronews

The refused asylum seekers that Denmark finds difficult to deport represent a fraction of the spurious asylum claims that Denmark would have to process were policies of deterrence not in place. The ideal scenario, as stated, is that the entire EU would adopt policies of deterrence, at an EU level (I’ve mentioned this before). As it is, the Irish electorate is interested in Ireland’s asylum policy, the rest of the EU can follow suit or not. Ireland is an island on the edge of Europe, EU asylum policies being equal, there’s limited motivation for secondary movement on to Ireland.

EDIT: Wrong Thread

So, even then, not putting pressure on housing. I'm fact, victims of the housing crisis themselves

Oh, are they not then on waiting lists for housing?

Stating the obvious here but those that are refused status don’t leave and are not deported either. They stall with appeals and put down more and more roots until they’re granted.

As you know well.

If all the people granted permission to remain moved out of their DP accommodation there'd be no need for any newly arrived IP applicants to be staying in tents along the canal or anywhere else.

Your direct provision normally ends if the Department of Justice gives you a refugee, or subsidiary protection declaration or permission to remain, but sometimes you can stay in direct provision temporarily while you are looking for your own place to live.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving-country/asylum-seekers-and-refugees/services-for-asylum-seekers-in-ireland/direct-provision/

I'm sorry you find it annoying but if you were merely discussing why we are late to implement Danish-style solutions then that is largely irrelevant in the context of the thread. We are where we are and must now seek solutions.

I agree partly with your point that internal domestic policies can only go so far but I think this, too, is forgetting the context of the discussion, which was what Ireland should do. If other countries (Belgium, Denmark etc.) and non-EU countries like the UK are implementing policies that make them unattractive to IPAs then, surely Ireland must act rather than wait for EU-wide measures. In fact, the need to act is greater.

It’s not strange at all, that other 80% have things to offer the country, have come through proper channels fully legally and contribute. They pay taxes too so also have a stake in how their money is spent.

Versus the 20% that are mostly seen to be here by dishonest means and are simply looking to extract from the country while offering nothing. I don’t believe you genuinely don’t understand the distinction.

It’s a shame that the genuine cases get lumped in with these but again that’s testament to how badly the government have bungled this

Yep. And what do all those people have in common? They have a RIGHT to those things. Yes anyone can claim asylum, but people that are here having destroyed their documents etc are more than likely not genuine I.e. they have NO RIGHT to be here or to any of our free things on offer

A large portion of them are here by dishonest means. As I said it’s unfortunate that the genuine cases get lumped in but that wouldn’t be an issue now if the government had demonstrated even a modicum of spine in dealing with the chancers.

Finally for the one hundred thousandth time, people are not BLAMING asylum seekers for causing the housing crisis. Nobody says that apart from people like you that try to obfuscate and argue in bad faith and muddy the waters. They are not the cause of the crisis, but they DO exacerbate it - I will not engage any more on the matter, it’s been spelled out umpteen times on this thread, if not directly to you. Just drop it as a “point”, you’re not fooling anyone.

Versus the 20% that are mostly seen to be here by dishonest means and are simply looking to extract from the country while offering nothing

Best available evidence, ie the ESRI reports shared earlier in the thread, shows the majority of asylum seekers working.

Im not sure why you seem to be annoyed at me/my posts.

Yes, those people have a right by law to be here. But so do asylum seekers. By law.

People with no documents, were approx 4000 or so last year, barely a drop in housing crisis, that they don't add to, because they are in DP centres

And for the 'hundredth thousand time ' all the posts blaming asylum seekers for adding to the housing crisis, are not blaming asylum seekers? Really? You must be reading a different thread to me!

If you believe that asylum seekers, who live in DP centres, are exacerbating the housing crisis, then the other 80% of migrants must be exacerbating it more, don't you think?

Why would I drop facts, as a point?

The Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission has taken a case against the State over its failure to provide accommodation to newly arrived asylum seekers. If other countries are providing tents why aren't they having cases taken against them?

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/0530/1452162-ihrec-high-court/