Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

If all the people granted permission to remain moved out of their DP accommodation there'd be no need for any newly arrived IP applicants to be staying in tents along the canal or anywhere else.

Your direct provision normally ends if the Department of Justice gives you a refugee, or subsidiary protection declaration or permission to remain, but sometimes you can stay in direct provision temporarily while you are looking for your own place to live.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving-country/asylum-seekers-and-refugees/services-for-asylum-seekers-in-ireland/direct-provision/

I'm sorry you find it annoying but if you were merely discussing why we are late to implement Danish-style solutions then that is largely irrelevant in the context of the thread. We are where we are and must now seek solutions.

I agree partly with your point that internal domestic policies can only go so far but I think this, too, is forgetting the context of the discussion, which was what Ireland should do. If other countries (Belgium, Denmark etc.) and non-EU countries like the UK are implementing policies that make them unattractive to IPAs then, surely Ireland must act rather than wait for EU-wide measures. In fact, the need to act is greater.

It’s not strange at all, that other 80% have things to offer the country, have come through proper channels fully legally and contribute. They pay taxes too so also have a stake in how their money is spent.

Versus the 20% that are mostly seen to be here by dishonest means and are simply looking to extract from the country while offering nothing. I don’t believe you genuinely don’t understand the distinction.

It’s a shame that the genuine cases get lumped in with these but again that’s testament to how badly the government have bungled this

Yep. And what do all those people have in common? They have a RIGHT to those things. Yes anyone can claim asylum, but people that are here having destroyed their documents etc are more than likely not genuine I.e. they have NO RIGHT to be here or to any of our free things on offer

A large portion of them are here by dishonest means. As I said it’s unfortunate that the genuine cases get lumped in but that wouldn’t be an issue now if the government had demonstrated even a modicum of spine in dealing with the chancers.

Finally for the one hundred thousandth time, people are not BLAMING asylum seekers for causing the housing crisis. Nobody says that apart from people like you that try to obfuscate and argue in bad faith and muddy the waters. They are not the cause of the crisis, but they DO exacerbate it - I will not engage any more on the matter, it’s been spelled out umpteen times on this thread, if not directly to you. Just drop it as a “point”, you’re not fooling anyone.

Versus the 20% that are mostly seen to be here by dishonest means and are simply looking to extract from the country while offering nothing

Best available evidence, ie the ESRI reports shared earlier in the thread, shows the majority of asylum seekers working.

Im not sure why you seem to be annoyed at me/my posts.

Yes, those people have a right by law to be here. But so do asylum seekers. By law.

People with no documents, were approx 4000 or so last year, barely a drop in housing crisis, that they don't add to, because they are in DP centres

And for the 'hundredth thousand time ' all the posts blaming asylum seekers for adding to the housing crisis, are not blaming asylum seekers? Really? You must be reading a different thread to me!

If you believe that asylum seekers, who live in DP centres, are exacerbating the housing crisis, then the other 80% of migrants must be exacerbating it more, don't you think?

Why would I drop facts, as a point?

The Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission has taken a case against the State over its failure to provide accommodation to newly arrived asylum seekers. If other countries are providing tents why aren't they having cases taken against them?

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/0530/1452162-ihrec-high-court/

We still have a shortage of housing. It still doesn’t matter who is causing it. It still doesn’t matter who you blame. We do not have enough houses in this country for the people living here today. . If people keep coming here into whatever centre or hotel they will still never get housed. We have 500,000 young people living with their parents because they can’t get accommodation or can’t afford it. This will only get worse…….We cannot keep increasing the population at the rate we are and expect to solve this issue. But whose fault is it ? That’s the main question?

Someone born to Irish parents are Irish, it really doesn't matter what you call them.

Those particular people you mention are also English as they were born before 1983.

Do you think everyone born in Ireland is Irish?

What a strange remark. Why would you feel the need to say that?

Isn't it obvious? I have never put anyone on Ignore. If that's your solution to people that don't agree with you, fire ahead. Get those blinkers on good and tight now...

I didn't direct my comment to you . Why do you feel the need to intervene?

But i think another smart remark reply such as above wouldn't make me think that debating your opinion in an appropriate fashion is something you are looking to do.

A comedian too - endless talents ……

Fair enough but I don't think anyone should be advising other posters to ignore a particular poster. I personally have never felt the need to use the Ignore feature but even if I did, I would never go around telling other people to ignore a particular poster. There is no honour in that.